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      • kepstin
        but I felt like stress-testing picard instead ;)
      • nikki
        CallerNo6: well there are no guidelines either way. some people think it's a great idea and others think it's horrible
      • kepstin: did you see my pm btw?
      • kepstin
        yeah, I'll give that a try sometime.
      • nikki
        ok
      • kepstin
        picard has scanned the first 1k tracks, 14k to go :)
      • ianmcorvidae
        I'd say it depends on what kind of URL link it is
      • cover art, absolutely use archive.org when other sites go down or stop having a file
      • official homepage? maybe not
      • nikki
        I think people tend to just use archive.org anyway for cover art :P
      • ianmcorvidae
        well, yeah
      • which is part of why we're making that more official :P but
      • kepstin
        hmm, I know a few cases where having an archive.org link to an artist's old homepage /would/ be useful.
      • nikki would prefer some sort of attribute on the url saying that it no longer works with a link to search archive.org
      • nikki
        (rather than actually editing the url)
      • ianmcorvidae
        well, there's the problem of things where a page continues existing but it's not the right information any more
      • kepstin
        what's really annoying is that one artist I know has had three different homepages over the years at the same location; and the later ones are missing parts of the earlier discographies
      • ianmcorvidae
        (most often a 404, but)
      • kepstin
        so you have to use archive.org to get the older info :/
      • CallerNo6
        I like the idea of being able to mark a URL "historical" or something. People can look up archived copies if they really want to go digging.
      • ianmcorvidae
        that's a reasonable way to do it
      • add an attribute to all URL relationships
      • nikki
        that's what I said :P
      • CallerNo6 should have said, " I like _nikki's_ idea..."
      • nikki grumbles at broken links
      • we have nearly 10,000 404s :<
      • ianmcorvidae
        :(
      • CallerNo6
        In a perfect world, maybe it'd be the 404s themselves that suggest archive.org
      • nikki
        there are lots of myspace and discogs ones
      • heh. 2053 myspace ones and 1333 discogs ones, so a third of them are those two sites alone
      • CallerNo6
        why so many for discogs? don't they have an equivalent to "merge"?
      • nikki
        their urls are just artist names. edit the name, you break the url
      • CallerNo6
        ... or "redirect" or whatever?
      • nikki
        redirect, pfft
      • CallerNo6
        silly me
      • ianmcorvidae
        why to use surrogate keys, eh :)
      • kepstin has 12k files left to scan...
      • kepstin
        this is gonna be a while yet :)
      • picard is only using ~2gb ram tho.
      • hmm. i clicked one of the column headers in the right pane to sort the list, now how do I unsort it?
      • CallerNo6 wants to teach Pandora that /why/ I don't want Sinatra in my Big Band station.
      • CallerNo6
        er, <strike>that</strike>
      • bitmap
        CatCat: not sure if you're still awake, but I made a ppc build of Picard that you can test: http://users.musicbrainz.org/bitmap/MusicBrainz...
      • and here's a ppc build of fpcalc for acoustid to work: http://users.musicbrainz.org/bitmap/fpcalc-0.5-...
      • ianmcorvidae
        bitmap: I'll point those links at my friend with the ppc computer as well
      • bitmap
        none of it's guaranteed to work, since apparently Lion can't emulate ppc apps anymore :/
      • ianmcorvidae
        lame
      • bitmap
        ianmcorvidae: cool, thanks
      • bitmap should probably update the Picard wiki page if it works, since the latest working ppc build there is 0.11 o_O
      • ianmcorvidae
        haha
      • the 0.15 or 0.15.1 build (whichever it was) worked, as I recall
      • kepstin
        right, it would be /really/ nice if picard could take mbid tags in files into account when doing the matching from a scan :/
      • ianmcorvidae gets impatient waiting for official picard package to update, installs picard-git
      • ianmcorvidae: what linux distro?
      • ianmcorvidae
        kepstin: arch
      • hopefully fpcalc works as it should
      • kepstin has a gentoo overlay and an exherbo repository that he keeps picard up to date in, but nothing for arch :)
      • kepstin
        I've found it to match karaoke and non-karaoke versions of tracks a little too often :/
      • ianmcorvidae
        ooh :(
      • kepstin
        they get separate acoustids, but when scanning them they seem to match eachother.
      • hmm. does the acoustid-fingerprinter program update files with acoustid tags?
      • bitmap
        I don't think so. I scanned my whole library a while back and none of them have acoustid tags
      • ianmcorvidae
        ... hm
      • evidently installing from git has resulted in my having a completely non-functional picard
      • great
      • kepstin
        did you install it over an existing picard install?
      • ianmcorvidae
        it nuked the old one
      • kepstin
        (or worse, did you install it to /usr/local?)
      • ianmcorvidae
        no, no, nothing like that
      • just uninstalled the picard package, installed the picard-git package I built
      • (based on a published PKGBUILD, should be fine... or at least should have been as of the last time it was checked, which, heh)
      • ianmcorvidae reinstalls older picard
      • ... oh, never mind, was git-annex getting in the way
      • file permissions issue :)
      • man, acoustid in picard _is_ really fast
      • kepstin
        compared to puid, yeah
      • ianmcorvidae
        I should really re-run picard on my collection
      • kepstin does that periodically to update tags
      • I just don't want to, y'know, peg my whole system for however long it'd take to make that happen
      • kepstin
        rescanning your collection to add acoustids with picard is a bad idea
      • it'll rematch your tracks to different versions of albums :/
      • ianmcorvidae
        ooh D:
      • yeah, actually, I just ran into that
      • but it was because there weren't acoustids for a lot of the tracks
      • ianmcorvidae wonders if those recordings are properly merged, I should check
      • kepstin
        I find that when the acoustid matches a recording which is used on multiple releases, it picks the wrong release more often than not
      • ianmcorvidae
        it appears I don't have acoustid tags after saving again anyway
      • kepstin
        and if the file already has mbids, picard's rescan completely ignores them and matches it based on acoustid and tags only.
      • ianmcorvidae: you have to load them into picard twice to add acoustid tags.
      • luks says that's unfixable :/
      • ianmcorvidae
        ... huh.
      • well, whatever
      • at some point it'll get fixed
      • kepstin
        yeah. I don't believe him.
      • ianmcorvidae updates the smallest subset of my collection (stuff in .ogg)
      • ianmcorvidae
        should work on getting rid of the mp3 section of my collection as well, hm
      • kepstin
        huh. so, this album has "low vocal" and "low low vocal" credited on it.