#musicbrainz

I have a new favourite sea animal: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Grimpoteuthis

where do i donate to gain access to the 'good' server? :)

ok... why is this not uploading. hrm.

desrt, we're all just as locked out as you are :)

http://test.musicbrainz.org/ is still up if you feel like doing some beta-testing, tho :)

hey, if the site isn't responding, please ping me.

ruaok: ping!

getting lots of 504 gateway timeout errors

/exec -o ping ruaok

:>

ping: cannot resolve ruaok: Unknown host

:<

back up.

that was fast

hmmm.

sweet!

can we get you in the form of a python script or something? :)

its our front end server that gets wedged for some reason.

desrt: there is that already. it supposed to automatically restart when this happens, but it doesn't seem to be working. :(

in any case, if you get any 5xx errors right now, ping me.

now it's just insanely slow

probably everyone trying to hit the server now that it's back up :)

ruaok: uh.. ping.

what?

he got a 5xx error

it's 504ing again

you told them to ping you :P

right. let me correct that.

ping me with useful information if shit happens.

heh

:)

by ruaok's decree

now it's 502 "proxy server error"

and now it works

and down again, i guess. hrmph :/

ok, hang one. log gave a clue

ok, back.

settings adjusted.

hmmm. what is going on?

it's working very quickly for about 10 seconds

then it's back to erroring out

(well.. maybe 10 seconds is 1 minute... but it's working awesome for a very short time then breaking again)

looks like we have some idiot who is pounding our WS.

iptables helps :)

well, the rate limiter is shutting him out, but that might have knock on effects.

ettiquite is no more than once per second, right?

its more than etiqutte. is in CODE. :)

seems to be better now

yeah, not entirely sure what was going on though. the problem seems to have moved on.... for now.

plamere_: hi!

so if an album title is printed on the cover art and on the CD and on the back cover and every occurance is in lowercase, is that considered sufficient consistent original data to override the normal capitalisation rules?

or is that probably just stylistic?

Depends

it always does!

Are all the tracks also on full lowercase?

no. they're normal-caps

and funny enough, the title of the CD is also the name of a track

Hmm, then it might be intent :/

except with different capitalisation :)

ya. that's what i thought

but another CD by the same artist has a similar issue

except in that case the album title is lowercase and the track names are all-caps

which i assume is -not- intent :)

Meh, this intent thing gets sooo annoying sometimes

I don't know. Any other opinions, people?

I hate ArtistIntent so much.

Too much burden of proof on the person invoking it.

seems like a good rule, to be honest

since the rules are the rules

if you want to break them, burden of proof is on you

IMO it should be "put it like it is on the release; if the release(s) are inconsistent then follow standard capitalization"

this entire conversation is what led me down the road to having absolutely everything in lowercase

Not "follow standard capitalization; you can only do anything else with statements signed in triplicate from the artist"

mostly because i was concerned with canonicalisation

now i don't care. in musicbrainz i trust :)

problem solving to deferral to an incompetent authority

doesn't really improve the situation, but let's me sleep better :)

*lets

Heh, true enough.

so far I haven't gotten lost, but there's been some close calls :(

kepstin: track to track ARs are hell

If you mess up and need some fixes approved let me know

heh, nothing yet that I couldn't fix up by just cancelling something :)

Good luck kepstin ;)

Would be nice to see a music player that makes use of the track ARs at some point. I guess we've at least got the data ready.

Hmm, would be nice, but I don't know how to program it

So unless someone here knows and has the time...

Still, I don't think we have the data ready yet

Most of the releases have absolutely no ARs, and not all of them are even confirmed tracklists

reosarevok: Yeah, that's the other problem. At the moment, there are no song tags that uniquely identify a song. There can be several entries on MB for ABC by XYZ but there's no tag for the player to tell them apart.

Would be quite nice if my player would say "You're listening to XXX, you also have YYY which is a remix of XXX"

Well, there will soon be with NGS's works and recordings

hmm. does anyone know of a classical work with the name "Air" that might have the numbers 2 and 3 associated with it somehow?

Heh

"Air" is not necessarily a work

Maybe it is just an "air"?

this credit (roughly translated from japanese) is Orchestral suite number 3, part 2: "Air"

By the 18th century the term came to be used also for purely instrumental lyrical pieces, often movements of some larger work

Might be just the movement type?

hmm. "Popular examples include the Air from the 3rd Orchestral Suite ... composed by J.S. Bach"

what do you know. Bach's orchestral suite number 3 has a second part which is an Air.

Heh, that's other option

:p

this credit is referencing the original music that the piece is a new arrangement of

Oh

Then probably that

The only problem is the "probably"

hmm. It looks like that's the case.

so, is there a correct way to link a track to say that it incorporations part of this composition by Bach using current musicbrainz?

the track in question is a modern arrangement of a game theme song, so it doesn't exactly follow classical style guide :)

Hmm

I had a similar problem with the latest Kanye West album

I'd credit Bach as the composer together with any other composers you have, and add the specific work in an annotation because I don't think we have an AR for that

But maybe I'm wrong

Yeah, since we don't have works yet, any relation would have to be to another recording :/

Meh, if you explain it a bit on the AR they'll probably not care

If you're worried we can always approve it before they ask wtf that is, but still, explain what happens in the AR :)

yeah, The AR note should be good enough.

I don't even have a smartphone :/ just some cheap LG piece of junk...