#musicbrainz

bah, time to sleep I think ,ttyl

heh

naattttaaa

that's also really nice if you have one of those matrox thingies :) that turn more monitors into a single one.. but i'd find some nice usage for it if i had a 4000x3000 monitor :)

windows, as in MS windows?

No, as in, open thingies.

ah, thingies

Indeed.

...

hey, my thingie is for me alone to waggle

Sounds like Compiz/Beryl wobbly windows

Morning ruaok!

time of day FauxFaux!

how go things?

you're done with school soon, right?

For "six months or so" definitions of soon, sure. :)

works for me.

oh wait. nm. you dont do perl.

At the moment I'm tired and cold, though, stupid morning. :/

:)

but I need to find a way to hire someone asap...

I do want to learn perl, what're you desperately looking for people to do?

mb_server dev.

we need a full time person working on it.

Mmm. :/

You can actually pay people now?

I would apply if I did perl :P

well, I am being paid.

I figured you were "special" ;)

and I am going to have a friend do a financial projection for the next year for us.

and between soliticing help from the BBC and google, it may actually be enough to hire someone.

ruaok: i'll apply for the job and do it all for free. if you switch to python :)

its got to be my top goal in the near future to make that happen.

xlotlu: Aaagh!

xlotlu: I think that is an issue that can be put on the table.

I am no fan of perl anymore.

but the process has to be practical.

between NGS and all the other shit that users want its a tough thing to ask for.

I don't know perl, and barely understand python. Main problem I see with the perl sections of the MB server code is the logic can get really hard to parse

ding.

well, I need to talk to Jugdish. He has expressed interest in the past.

I need to setup a budget and figure out what I can put on the table.

maybe the community can help find some candidates.

well, where they live is part of the issue.

people living in northern europe are less likely going to fit.

Ah yes.

since I suspect it will be paid in peso dollars, it wont pay much.

ie. I can't imagine someone living in london be able to make ends meet.

the rest of the uk?

not sure.

London is just silly, though.

someone from eastern europe might be smart. like luks if he wasnt busy with school.

it its, but I use it as an example.

anyone from .ch is out, for instance.

peso dollars :))

Aye.

cory's term. :)

(doctorow)

Mr. Red Cape Blogger

ruaok: you know, the "community" might want to do stuff for free, if there would be a nicely structured todo list, and somebody to review the code

yep. our most hard core board member. :)

xlotlu: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/query?status=new&am... =p

he's a board member?!

nice

xlotlu: I've had mixed results with that before.

but I am going to be putting together a list of things to do, so people can check it out.

ruaok: the only problem is svn doesn't fit this style of development

switch to git :)

which "style" ?

distributed I'd imagine

multiple sources, etc.

^^

git-svn/bzr-svn/svk, stop whining. :p

multiple developed* sources, multiple developers, so on and so forth

git \o/

Git is not my friend.

though I am not terribly in love with it.

which version control we use is the least of my worries.

I would love to do stuff on MB, and there are a whole ton of specific little things I'd like to work on, but I have some time commitment issues

xlotlu: if you want to do some development, does it have to be python?

Language war, check. RCS war, check. Er.. code formatting war? BSD STYLE 4EVAR!!

dholmes: if you ever need some help getting started, ping me.

can we talk about tabs vs spaces?

ruaok: my perl's never gone beyond simple hacks of existing sources

right now MB seems tab and I HATE IT.

Tabs! <3

ruaok: My last day of school is wednesday, and I hope to start work soon after, so I'll have to get back to you on that

tabs are fucking stupid.

<3 tabs

dholmes: graduating?

Yeah

I would be up for development, but my "talents" tend to lie more in "how to make this work with the least effort" and "why does this not work" rather than "how to make something out of nothing:

one character vs. 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 spaces.

congrats!

B.S. Computer Science

Thanks

spaces are stupid due to the differences people practice.

with tabs, you have one characters, and your IDE can format it ("looks like {y} spaces") however you want it

If you are using tabs somewhere that isn't at the start of a line you're doing it wrong, however.

that's my tab vs. space in a nutshell

this is true. tabs always lead lines

agreed

ruaok: and i'm trying to get over my current project and poke my nose into the xhtml branch

One of the reasons to work with Java, load a file, ctrl+shift+f, all the crazy spaces peoples' code /gone/! \o/

does anyone know how to make vim insert tabs when I use spaces?

xlotlu: cool.

:%s/ /\t/

FauxFaux: automatically, stupid.

g etc. :p

if I could set my vim so that it used the right combo of tabs then I could forget it.

but every job I've every had was against tabs.

I know projects that have an automagical tab to space transformer

yeah, its easy to do with indent.

The java people are doing it on the openjdk code, the maniacs.

perhaps as a pre-check for svn.

right, that's where I primarily see it

Anyway, sleeptiem. Nn.

natta!

heh: http://www.jwz.org/doc/tabs-vs-spaces.html

I dont usually agree with jzw

ugh, column limits... that's a whole 'nother beast.

gah, i hate going out for cigarettes at 6 am

anyone know if I can execute a command each time before a file is saved in vim?

call an escape to shell script?

what would that command do?

%retab

nice

which would convert the spaces that I put in back to tabs before saving.

if I can have vim do that by default I'm good to go.

just looking for a few things

oh, that binds it to a different command

hmmm

aha

that looks like you can hack it to act how you want

sweet, good find.

:)

has the length for an open edit always been 2 weeks?

it may be because I'm not as active every day anymore, but things seem to take so much longer nowadays

yep...

hum, weird