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or a scan of the DVD cover where does it say that is a soundtrack

BrianFreud: sorry to seem to be ignoring your point about spaceballs; I do take it.

lol

hawke: forget the sims a moment

BrianFreud: sure

I can easily get my hands on, say, the soundtrack to Metroid

it's audio, not midi

ooh

hawke: http://thesims2.ea.com/getcoolstuff/music.php

you first need to rip the cart to disk

this is _the_ soundtrack!

then you need to crack the cart

then you need yet another tool to get the audio out of that cracked image

lol

but by your argument,

I'm then left with a release-worthy soundtrack

luks: it's only a partial soundtrack. :-p

hawke: seriously, add the three official soundtracks to the database instead

its release

intended musical release

your ripper mp3s are not a release

ripped

hawke: Are ringtones releases?

or NATs, whatever?

BrianFreud: I would say, yes you're left with a release-worthy soundtrack. The only distinction is the order of the tracks, which is arbitrary

hawke: then, whaere tostop?

hm?

and just because MB doesn't handle unordered releases....

You may be right hawke. Problem is, right now the database isn't built to handle the kinds of tracks you're trying to add.

Hence the Spaceballs example.

because unordered releases aren't really releases :)

exactly

thus my suggestion for NATs

if you have to add them, it's the only good place for them

but hey need topereadily available *in that way* to be valid NAT's

to answer your question, YES nat's have to be dlable

unhappygroove: no...they really don't

yes they do

eslethey aren't released

unhappygroove: What if they're pre-Internet NATs?

TMBG Dial a Song, for example

if they are on a different format that format is usually (but not always) the release format

that woud be an example of a different format where it *is* anat

a nat

right

that's why I say the "must be downloadable" is a bit overly restrictive

bt seriously.. don't you (atleast analogually) "DL" it? :P

unhappygroove: I have Zoë Poledouris's "I have not been to paradise" which I did download but I don't remember where and can't find again. So that's not a NAT because you can't download it?

of course not, where di you get it?

unless you udl it

unhappygroove: "I don't remember where and can't find again"

if you udon't *remember*?

unhappygroove: for Dial a Song, originally, someone taped it off a telephone :P

of course you can't add that if you don't know whereit's from

wtf!?

it might be a single or a part of a release or leeched or even fake

(see Weird Al)

Since *when* is that a req?

leeched?

since thedawn of NAt

duh

lol, Wierd Al is his own little mess :P

yesh indeed

it's not a nat unless it is, get this a non album (release9 track

a stand alone track not released on a single, album or compilation

hi warp

discussing 6964057 i see :)

hi warp :)

lol

+note

unhappygroove: in the case of the ZP track, I can compare it to the background audio in Starship Troopers and note that it's the same...that's a pretty good indication

zp track?

unhappygroove: Zoë Poledouris

indication of what?

that the file I have is the same as the one used there.

then tag it with the proper 'Starship Troopers' soundtrack release

the same file used, or the score was licensed for use?

unhappygroove: It's not on the official soundtrack

BrianFreud: the same *song* used

then where did you get it from?

BrianG: yeah, saw that on /. yesterday

did you urip it for m the movie/gamewhatever?

unhappygroove: as I said, I don't remember. Downloaded it somewhere

unhappygroove: no

so you can't be sure that maybe she released a single and it was a teaser?

unhappygroove: if it were ripped from the movie, it would have a lot of noise in front of it

unhappygroove: of course I can't be sure of that, but I have no evidence that she did

or maybe there was a bootleg release with the tracks 'in Starship Troopers but not released' ?

yes exactly

unhappygroove: yeah, all one track

you can't add it if you don't knowte source

...

I sure can/did.

BrianG: peculiar.

hawke: what's that track called?

if you uadded that as 'nat' with the text 'I don't remember where this is from' you'd get voted down so fast your head would spinn

I gaurantie

BrianFreud: "I have not been to paradise"

it goesdeleto pronot unless a source is found

unhappygroove: was that english?

there is no need to be insulting my (mis)spelling because you're loosing the argument

:(

unhappygroove: I wasn't, I just don't know what you said!

ok, sorry

I can't parse "goesdeleto pronot"

I mean't to say, that track goes 'deleto pronto' unless a source ca nbe found

sorry for my bork

ahhh, Ok

thanks for the clarification

but seriously

unhappygroove: on what basis?

even I tried adding some oingo boing oNAT's I had lyign around that I dl form the ebil kazaa of doom

luks: are artists comments used anywhere besides on MB? (tagger, other people that use the MB database)

hawke: halfway down the page, "STARSHIP TROOPERS - Complete Score", http://los-soundtracks.blogspot.com/2007_05_10_...

it was voted down and later found that they came for mtow (alkbeit obscure) soundtracks

BrianFreud: ...

BrianFreud: thanks

:P

there you go

BrianG: well, I think anybody that uses the database needs to use also artist comments

but still, that's no argument for not including it if no better info can be found. [imo]

luks: so artist comments could appear in say.. a media player application that uses MD data?

EVER

BrianG: no, probably no

agreed - looking through the TMBG NATs that I didn't add, most have no comment as to where they're from

but can appear on other websites that use MB data

unhappygroove: so... pretty much every nat should be removed then?

because there is no point in adding stuff andthenit gets removed afterwards

a lot are not really NATs

no, there are loads of nats that *have* sources

I see a lot of "Song x (2004-05-05)" where they just didn't bother to add the whole bootleg

like those under go homeproductions

just the track they had

unhappygroove: example?

go to go home productions page

or dj tripp

unhappygroove: It all comes down to "someone got these from somewhere" though for any NAT

some, not all

some NATs are real NATs

hawke: no

luks: so it's probably not a good idea to use artist comment as a place to note "Add releases to SO and SO rather than this artist" as it could appear on other sites taht use MB data..?

but that's why I argue when ppl say "it's only one track, make it a NAT"

they got themfro m the artist website, dila a song or any reliable provable source

Imho, NATs are the place of last resort