#musicbrainz

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      • BrianFreud
        hmmm... BM&TW anyone? :P
      • YAUB has quit
      • bye YAUB, we'll miss you :)
      • catgroove
        lol brian
      • lauri
        catgroove: but vivian jackson is yabby you.. he can't be & himself on the same _song_ (even if that is in fact what was on the cover :)
      • catgroove
        I hope you mergedthem :)
      • lauri
        then there's the ones where the what looks like a mess is actually right :)
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      • catgroove
        lauri: I didn't say I agreed, I said i know people who think that whgats on the cover is what the only thingis should be, sincethey want to tag their files
      • lauri
        sly and robbie + black uhuru + michael rose heh
      • sly & robbie were rhythm section in, but not members of black uhuru, and michael rose was the lead singer for black uhuru for years
      • but after he left, black uhuru (sometimes with sly & robbie, sometimes without) often supported him live
      • and on a few festival live releases, all three played, separately, except it was the exact same people on stage for all three performances :)
      • BrianFreud
        lol, time for creative AR use :P
      • lauri
        so yeah that's pretty much why i do reggae in very small sessions
      • catgroove
        do some more sessions!
      • do a barrelroll!
      • lauri
        oh yeah!
      • catgroove
        ok
      • foodtime
      • lauri
        and according to my own annotation
      • catgroove
        :D
      • catgroove is now known as foodmo
      • lauri
        after 19 years, the got back together...
      • but now they're called 'Black Uhuru featuring Michael Rose'
      • :)
      • BrianFreud
        :P
      • Freso
        HairMetalAddict: Arigato. :)
      • BrianFreud
        yeah, the fun problem of not being able to have multiple date ranges
      • lauri
        you can, for band memberships at least, that helps a lot :)
      • although it results in some seriously wonky displays
      • BrianFreud
        there yes - but I mean strictly for the artist it/them/she/heself
      • lauri
        I'd just like the 'changed their name to' one
      • not aiming too high
      • just wanna fix the teddybears properly :)
      • BrianFreud
        yup
      • foodmo
        I said it, an i'll say it again
      • BrianFreud
        now, though, you realize, the counter argument the people who oppose "change name to" involves specifically creating artists for whom there may be nothing but ARs... :D
      • foodmo
        I mentioned more than one daterange should be able
      • and NOBODY LISTENS TO ME :D
      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • foodmo
        ♪ nobody listens totechno ♪
      • :P
      • ok ,nei, food!
      • lauri
        you don't dance to techno anymoooore
      • a3, great band (y'all should check them out, even if you only ever heard the sopranos theme song)
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      • yo brian, mo
      • wanna help me sort out king tubby some time?
      • BrianFreud
        lol, toss him on the cotm suggestions board
      • not 100%, but I *think* the Dubliners are next up
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      • lauri
        i have him down to I think... 40? collaborations
      • and that's not even really touching all the production stuff
      • although really, most of those are more production than performing
      • BrianFreud
        fun fun
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      • the more I try to get rid of bogus artists for the Marley circle, the more I realize we could spend the next year cleaning just Jamaican reggae and not be done
      • yllona
        raggae will be problematic. be sure to check ascap, bmi and sesac for proper credits
      • BrianFreud
        we talked about that when we first started
      • but it's turned out to somewhat be a non issue
      • yllona
        composer.song writing attribution, that is
      • BrianFreud
        right
      • lauri
        oh man, I haven't even touched any of that yet either
      • BrianFreud
        problem is, there's so few ppl doing this cotm, we've got our hands full, even after a month, still just cleaning up the releases, artists, etc
      • lauri
        roots archive is a godsend
      • BrianFreud
        agreed
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      • happy birthday luks :)
      • luks
        umm
      • lauri
        and most of the little reggae labels have really smart helpful people if you ask sensible questions :)
      • luks
        thanks :)
      • lauri
        grattis luks
      • yllona
        george clinton will be the next mess to clear up. he just re-gained rights to all of his tunes. he had a very crooked/criminal manager that forged signatures on contracts back in the day. george spent almost 20 years in the courst
      • lauri
        i was just thinking about the reggae artists in the same situation
      • eerie
      • BrianFreud
        lol, lauri, I'm not sure anyone really knows who "owns" half the Marley stuff anymore, let alone some of the details :P
      • lauri
        well there's been massive lawsuits going on in england and europe over rights to a lot of it
      • BrianFreud
        there's yet another Marley court case going on right now... $60 mil lawsuit
      • Jugdish: Having fun? LOL
      • yllona
        the marley estate is a *huge* mess. that's why is you check ascap, it says "please call for clearances" ;)
      • BrianFreud
        yup
      • lauri
        oh not marley, lots of smaller reggae artists, who had their rights virtually stolen in the late 70's
      • and are starting to get them back now
      • BrianFreud
        and when you call, even they don't know half the time
      • Jugdish
        brianfreud: got a rudimentary version of the script @ http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/9838 -- it doesn't do everything i'd like it to do but should be functional for the most part. play around with it and let me know of any problems you run into, i'm going to bed :P
      • lauri
        oh here it is: www.definiterecords.com front page
      • BrianFreud
        Cool, thanks, I'll test it out :)
      • lauri
        that's one of them (they are still fighting that, even though that 2 year old press release says it got a ruling)
      • BrianFreud
        Looked like you were having fun testing it :D
      • yllona
        lauri: i get a domain squat for www.definitercords.com
      • lauri
        oops
      • yllona
      • lauri
        .net
      • sorry
      • yllona
      • lauri
        reading the list of artists in those judgements is pretty amazing (and they aren't all only the lesser known artists)
      • sorry, hit the legal news link, it's all there
      • basically half of jamaica went after half the record industry over royalties and publishing rights
      • yllona
        the reggae legal mess, is phenomenal -- similar to US R & B/Blues before the Sam Cooke era
      • lauri
        the interesting thing here is that they won, without too much trouble
      • the majority of the fight is record labels trying to get the payments cut down
      • yllona
        tho it happened quite a bit later. but any artist that agrees to anything that stoopid in this era gets what he/she deserves
      • BrianFreud
        Jugdish: VERY IMPRESSED!!!!!!! :)
      • Jugdish
        :D
      • BrianFreud
        just tried it on the production side... worked like a charm :)
      • Jugdish just spotted a major bug O_o
      • lauri
        well fix it, so i can install it then
      • yllona: by the time i've waded through half of one album, it's usually gone all my time for one day, and all my energy for a week
      • yllona
        lauri: what do you consider "without too much trouble"? that case in France has been in the courts for *years*
      • BrianFreud
        hmmm, just checked, looks like all worked find. /me wonders at what the bug can be
      • s/find/fine
      • Jugdish
        brianfreud: try clicking the button without entering anything in one of the text fields and you'll see
      • lauri
        yllona: well, not exactly without too much trouble
      • BrianFreud
        oh, hmm, didn't try that, lol
      • lauri
        yllona: more that it was typically big corporation stalling about amounts, jurisdictions, technicalities
      • BrianFreud
        only did what a normal person would do. You really want me to try and break it, hmmm :P
      • yllona
        yeah, that's normal.
      • lauri
        not arguing the case that they in fact did not do a bad bad thing
      • (whoa, triple negatives ftw)
      • BrianFreud
        hmm, yeah, that is kinda a bad bug
      • Jugdish
        ok, for now i'm just going to make issue an error if you try to submit a blank textfield, i will patch it up properly tomorrow :P
      • BrianFreud
        :)
      • then I'll get you to look at my python, see if you can figure out why I'm managing to break PicardQT with the latest version, lol
      • Jugdish doesn't know jack about python!
      • got to love triggering the "error occurred" message without causing any log entries
      • :P
      • Jugdish
        heh
      • BrianFreud
        nor do I, that's the fun part :)
      • Jugdish
        one of those languages i've been meaning to learn at some point
      • BrianFreud
        but the posted versions of the plugins work! that has to count for something! :)
      • well, that is, they work unless you try to use them on a release instead of a cluster... :P
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      • lauri
        all you need to know about python is that it's evil
      • BrianFreud
        lol
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      • you know python lauri?
      • lauri
        i am indentation challenged
      • so no, python is not for me
      • i like tabs, damnit
      • and my own tab settings, my way
      • BrianFreud
        prettycode :)
      • lauri
        and i'll put my newlines where i like, nyah
      • intgr
        Shoo lauri!
      • warp
        lauri: same here.
      • intgr
        Can't indent, doesn't like Python => incurable Perl monkey who should be shot.
      • :)
      • lauri
        heh, well, less said about perl the better too :)
      • warp
        lauri: except... i finally succumbed to python after trying to read my own 6 month old perl code and not understanding much of perl at all.
      • lauri
        or as perl people would put that entire sentence ""#�%�"#@@@@$$$"