#musicbrainz

and I'll run it on my collection so you can get that data to play with

BrianFreud: i'm thinking bob marley & the wailers as the group that needs the most clean-up

phrontist: I really hope you won't change your mind about working on the MB server! :)

hmmmm....

yeah, either Bob Marley *, or Pearl Jam

either of those needs serious help

but I still think that it might be more worthwhile

BrianFreud: Bob & the wailers are nominated in the MB wiki as "collab of the month"

yllona: what do you think of the idea we were throwing around the other night,

to make "all artists with only a single release" a collab of the month?

BrianFreud: which idea?

ah one hit wonders... yes good idea

all it takes it one or two ppl who are big Bob fans to get that really cleaned, like I'm doing with Nirvana

but the chances anyone will ever clean up the one-hit wonders?

so we take, say, 1000 of them, and make them together the "artists" of the month

as you clean one, you edit them off the collab wiki page

BrianFreud: it would be useful if we could find someone who grew up with Bob in the '70s, sadly Bob was never one of my faves for reggae

well, I'm planning to finish Nirvana, then move on to Lead Belly

that one's not gonna be fun :P

but SO many tracks are covers of his, it's worth doing

I'd like to start doing server development soon

i can help with the leadbelly, i'm moving house sooon so all my CDs are packed up though. may take a few weeks to settle into the new digs

I have Virtual MB setup... but I just don't know where to start

yllona: well, I 've dug up info on all the cd releases

Still organising myself some type of build environment

aCiD2: pick a couple of easy bugs and fix them

and I have a list of all the vinyl releases

just trying to find more info atm on the vinyl

IMO, that's the best way to start and learn the codebase

there's a few hundred of them

luks: Heh, there's so many I don't know what is "an easy bug"

I'll get it going soon enough anyway :)

well, I can pick some for you if you want ;)

Sure :D

BrianFreud: do you have any LPs (vinyl)? original releases

like the invisible file bug... that one seems a pretty easy fix :)

<3 vinyl

yllona: not of Lead Belly - they're mostly from the 20s and 30s

old Victrolla, and even some wax cylinder

aCiD2: e.g. http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2743 - absolutely trivial

My vinyl is all recent though, my dad has the older stuff

there is a lot of bugs like this

most archive lists of LB vinyl are just tracklists

finding titles, release info, etc is hard

no, moved to Buffalo a few months ago

family's still down there though

but fixing simple bugs really helped me to learn how the server works, when I started

BrianFreud: ah, yes... i remember how.

*now

Ahh, that looks simple enough luks :)

easy two I've put in:

I'm learning Perl at the same time, so I didn't want to jump in at the deep end because my code would be sloppy

invisible files, and puids not submitting when server is set to uk mirror

aCiD2: the actual bugs are mostly in Mason components

which is HTML + some Perl code

okay. as soon as I get settled i'll head over to the USC music school/library. Kareem Abdul Jabbar donated his *enormous* jazz/blues library a few years back

BrianFreud: server bugs :)

luks: for someone who knoews HTML and XML, but not python or perl, is there any coding help I can do?

luks, Yea, I've had a look at some of the Mason

BrianFreud: sure, MB could really use some HTML/CSS cleanup

BrianFreud: can you create or document clean DTDs?

there is a lot of rendering errors, not all pages are XHTML, etc.

ugh... hate doing it, but I can try :)

luks: *jink*

*jinx*

not sure if rod updated his vmware image yet

luks: where would I look to start finding things like that I can work on?

but I guess I could put a development one easily

BrianFreud: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/report/3

The current VMB is broke, but it's easy enough to fix

(Just have to checkout a different svn branch)

Doh, my VMB server doesn't have the db setup

ok, I see the bugs list - where would I find the actual source xml/xhtml to hack on?

BrianFreud, 2 places

The best option is to checkout the subversion branch of the moment

BrianFreud: the easiest way is to use http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/VirtualMusicBrainzS...

that way you don't have to install mbserver yourself

and can just start working on HTML

If you plan to just take a look at the source code though: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/mb_server/b...

ok, thanks :)

brb

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luks: Question... I obviously have no clue where the load on the edit server is coming from,

but would an offline editor help? Some way to basically do everything, save having to feed all those pages?

BrianFreud: As an application?

yes

probably yes. but I don't think it would help that much to be worth the time/work

I was planning that, but it can't be done until the XML web service opens up more

something to pipe to, say, xml, then just upload the xml?

easy to write a windows one, in access

it would mean a lot of duplicated funcionality

More elegant ways than that would be needed, but it's not possible at the moment

be the work of a single day to do it

ok

luks: Not if all editing operations were refactored so the web interface and the xml web service used the same code

like Guess Case for example, it's a huge javascript library

But it's still a lot of work

even if it doesn't look like

yes, whoever wrote Guess Case, it IS most impressive

Can you run mb_server on OS x btw?

looks like the vm version will - there's directions for osx on there

aCiD2: I think you can, but it would be PITA to install

Oh yea, that would work

luks: true, I'll just stick with my windows vm one

aCiD2: you mean you use windows? thought you were solely osx from the compilation issues you had :P

when I was on windows, I used vmware with linux for the web server + db on windows + samba to access files from windows

BrianFreud: I use both

luks: Yup, I'm gonna run the server completly on Windows, and setup samba so I can edit files on my Mac

god I need to switch to linux... I can feel how much my IT brain has rotted using windows all these years

Then do it :)

lol

does linux support NTFS volumes?

yes, but I wouldn't trust it

It does now

luks: I dunno, NTFS write is supported more officially now

So it might be ok now

that was one of the reasons I never switched before - way too much data, all NTFS

it can... haven't seen it kill anything but I tended to use the windows IFS to go the other way.

aCiD2: I know, but I've seen some problems related to the fact is runs via FUSE

it's not a native kernel stuff

so it works, but it's not trustworthy?

mmm, it's definatly not as nice as something like reiserfs or ext3

Oh it's a FUSE one, fun :)

BrianFreud: I'd trust it

It's been fine for me

If you're switching now might as well go XFS.

is FUSE that windows dll wrapper?

No, it's a userspace toolkit for building plugable filesystems.

ajh: That's a beefy filesystem :)

ajh: problem is where to put the data during the switch

aCiD2, but so are all our machines now.

1 TB = a whole lot of dvds...

ajh: hmm?

BrianFreud, yeah, always tricky.

aCiD2, the main objection to XFS is the added kernel bloat, but it's better for what most people do anyway.

I wouldn't put a tb of data on my home computer regardless of the os/fs

Data of that magnitude would deserve a RAID of some sort for me :)

I'm waiting for good iSCSI to do big storage.

You got a RAID?

still using the same machine I built to last 8 years ago