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cat # VICJ61103

damn wireless keyboard

label is Victor Entertainment

Yes, if you look upward in the chat, you'll notice that's the cat I first proposed :D

ok

been going off the other cat #

(eternal) thanks a lot for the search! I think I'll stick with these track times.

Got a link to genre discussions?

lol

ajh: huh?

christ! talk about torrent type pages...

I have my own ideas on how genre should be handled but I'd like to catch up on it.

(it being how people currently involved feel)

by MusicBrainz

Yet.

because it is a subjective thing

Actually it's not all that subjective, but you do need to have a very large knowledgebase to be able to deal with it.

and 90% would prob end up Emo, like everywhere else

I'd say it's quite subjective

you're not changing my genre tags to what you think or anyone else thinks my music is ;)

Which is why being able to do things like subgenre and multiple genre is important.

each song can have a different genre

If it was dont right we wouldn't have to :)

Yes, it can.

Or multiple.

I don't want to set multiple genres to 6 million tracks in MB ;)

I went to doing things like Rock/Prog Rock/Folk etc.

I tend to think of genre as something that can't really be looked up in a database

same

I think you can let people tag genres (like at Last.fm)

Perhaps, but it's critical to being able to do some operations easily.

and trends will appear

isn't the upcoming "folksonomy" somewhat an attempt at that?

it's kind of like musicip claiming it can match "emotional feel" of tracks

but people will be more accurate than others

The other options is actual analysis and fingerprinting to be able to do 'play other songs like'

going down several subgenres

Use things like bpm, etc.

and can you imagine trying to vote on genre?

lol, good point

you'd have to leave the votes open a year just to find 3 ppl with the same track

Sure, let people override, but it's be nice if a new rip grabbed something.

ajh, I'd say wait for the tagging feature (which is on test.musicbrainz.org)

ok, about to add some demo sessions

we're pretty agreed that it ought to be yyyy-mm-d1 - yyyy-mm-d2: for multi date boots?

multidate boots? :P:P:P

throw them to the wolves

session demos

do the sessions have a name?

only a location

cooperaa, could you be a little more specific on what I'm looking for on there? :)

ajh: I'm not 100% sure how it works, I only played with it very quickly a while ago

but there should be links to add tags to artists etc

look up a popular artist like the beatles or metallica

Been backing up my music directory for almost 40 minutes now before running pIcard on it.

anyone know anything about flac?

BrianFreud: its lossless

I know, lol

It's about 50% the size of CDDA.

ajh: good idea, but I've had no problems with tagging 16,000 songs at once

wondering why occasionally, even when md5 matches, I get a flac bit failure when converting to ogg

maybe your program sucks?

md5 isn't perfect.

try using another fingerprinting method.

using dbpoweramp

well, actually using par2 + sfv + md5, all verify

does flac store tags too?

ajh: I lied... I don't see it on test.mb...

I've been considering moving entirely to flac.

too much space for me...

ogg -8 or ogg -10 is plenty good enough

Yeah, but space is cheap.

lossless means one rip though.

because I want to rip in realtime so that I can eliminate jitter etc.

I keep my lossless as backups, but I only use MP3

if you can find one track I can hear the difference between flac 800 bps and ogg -10, I'll move the entire collection to flac

What's your output system?

sony surround

You're fine. :)

but even on my dad's high end $10k system, I can't hear a difference :P

It really depends on the track, some sounds don't compress well.

life's too short to worry about if you can hear the difference

and if it really takes that kind of $$ to hear a difference,

I'm more concerned with loss from double compression.

I'll never notice it anyhow

if you can't handle the idea that you might be hearing a difference, then do flac

double compression?

Yeah, having to convert to something else later. Say when burning a CD in CDDA.

lossless to ogg, be it from cd, wav, shn, ape, or flac, it's all a single layer

oh

but I think that producers should understand that people use portable media players and computer speakers and make their songs sound good out of those systems

not an issue for me - I'm trying to go 100% digital

cooperaa, they do know that, most studios test using car audio speakers.

if I could afford the space, my dvds would be 100% digital

yup, but that's what I mean

if its designed to play fine on your shitty systems, then I don't worry about it :)

cooperaa: I think they do, and that's one of the problems these days.

Sounds good on shitty system, sounds like shit on a good system.

it's not a problem for me and my shitty earbuds :P

I'm annoyed I bought the wrong card when given the choice of two.

I should have bought the AudioPhile 192 but I bought the 1212M.

(I do have good headphones, but I don't usually wear them to work ;))

ouch

Heh, my earbuds are E4C

and of course, that entire line has since been dicontinued

Can't afford good headphones.

Oh, does 'remove' delete?

on musicbrainz.org?

Oops sorry wrong channel :)

Was talking about Songbird :)

cool

I was really excited about that at first

but... not so much anymore

this must rank among the longest release titles ever...

1987-04-17: Out Of Order / Toy Train Crash Backside Bone Beefcake show, KAOS-FM Olympia Community Radio, Evergreen State College, Olympia, WA, USA

that seems ridiculous

BrianFreud: How about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Pawn...

who cares what radio show it was on? I'd throw that in annotation

Does Musicbrainz do anything about album art? Would storing it be a copyright issue or would that be fair use?

fiona apple should burn in hell for that title

doesn't exist

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name

BrianFreud: something's wrong with your internet

Included the dots?

ajh: we get cover art from Amazon

oh, mirc was dropping them

and CDBaby and Arkiv.org (I think)

holy christ!

cooperaa, yes the client does, but what about adding it to the database to help deal with things like multiple releases etc.

Since long term using those sites won't work.

reminds me of this one - longest movie title ever...

and the has Cover Art AR

we don't store coverart in the db

we link to it

OK, that's what I was wondering.

Oh, is Musicbrainz only CD?

no

Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the Bride of the Return of the Revenge of the Terror of the Attack of the Evil, Mutant, Alien, Flesh Eating, Hellbound, Zombified Living Dead Part 2: In Shocking 2-D

digital releases, dvds, vinyls, etc

So if I rip a bunch of lacquer there's a chance it'll work?

I actually have a copy :P

I've got a friend who's got a stack of old victrola discs I've been thinking about ripping and remastering.

go for it

there's a small chance they're already in the databse, but I can pretty much assure you you'll have to manully match the tracks to a release

they definately won't auto-id