#musicbrainz

sounds cool brianfreud :)

that things are progressing

I'm working on a different part now, but if anyone can think of other good places to find data (where it's consistant in where that data is) let me know

luks: how does that work? does it use global tags or personal tags?

global tags only

:/

people aren't good taggers

should be easy to make it use personal tags, though

:)

ehm, actually maybe not

:(

I'm not sure if the webservice provides that

we're going to all end up with Indie tags

you can add them to the ignore list :)

then my indie tags won't be applied to what's actually indie

FunctorSalad? Do you grok SML?

sorry, no :)

(I mean I don't know about it at all)

Must be a different kind of nerd, then :|

hmm, not a bad idea

well, I started learning haskell ;)

(@ dholmes_)

Heh

I never did a lot of haskell

except that I'd prefer a window when QL switches to a new album

(about five lines in a programming languages class ;)

does learning SML instead of haskell make me that different? ;)

err, other way round

Doubtful; those langauges are more similar to each other than to any other language I've seen

yeah thought that too

uhm, talkin about tagging, for anyone who's lookin for a nice library manager, check out J.River Media Jukebox. It's free (as in beer) and really powerful. A great tagger, too (http://www.mediajukebox.com/ )

Does this new tagging functionality just dump one/all of a track/album/artist's tags into the ID3 tag?

It looks like just another iTunes, but I've been using it for 4 years and it's mighty powerfull

why would we need that if we have picard? :)

easytag is pretty cool for tagging too (no offense to Shapeshifter! haven't tried Media Jukebox yet)

dholmes_: no, checks tag usage, filters tags from ignore list, gets X most used tags and then dumps those into the ID3 tag

nice

it's pretty much copy of the last.fm plugin

luks: yeah I just joined this channel today, never heard of picard... I'l try it out sometime on linux (as MJ isn't available for linux unfortunately) but I love all the functionality MJ has... burn to cd, convert into any format OTF to you player (which might not support ape or flac, so it will convert into any given format an d butrate without touching local files)... and it's not bloated

easytag is great, yeah. unfortunately no mp4 support in windows

but it doesn't use MB :)

so you don't get all the cool tags automatically

yeah. people at jriver have been begging for MB integration

it uses YADB... might be something similar to MB but without that fingerprint stuff I think...

not sure

Looks more like FreeDB than MB

Hm, actually, looks like neither

Doesn't look like there's a lot of information about YADB is or how it works. Looks like it's got nothing on MB though

yeah. http://wiki.jrmediacenter.com/index.php/YADB no, I guess MB would be better, I never had much luck with yadb and Media Jukebox. Always tagging manually ^^

bad policy... "CD Lookup does not work well for discs with just a few tracks. Statistics are not kept for discs with 4 or less tracks."

considering even our worst such case is only 11 tocs, then 2 with 5, then a few dozen that 1 toc = 3 releases, it's not half as bad as they make it sound...

Well, they do have all sorts of DVDs containing various sorts of music. If there was a uniform way of ripping them and I was actually in the habit of doing so, I wouldn't mind having that information in MB

But yeah, considering that there's nothing talking about the openness of this system, it sounds more like CDDB than anything else

Ewww! Gross!

yup; Gracenote clone...

lol, I hadn't seen that auto-response

This program actually seems like a pretty decent library-based music player for Windows (not having actually tried it). The whole thing seems too proprietary to stand out, though

when you start it though ;)

how come my Picard (QT) all of a sudden says "W: 3083228864 21:39:54 No decoders found! Fingerprinting will be disabled." when I start it, these days? it used to work.. :/

Right now I'm actually using WMP11, which has some substantial shortcomings with plugin support, but I'm not going to switch until I have a robust way to export track ratings

peh: compiled manually I guess?

yup

how?

./setup.py config && ./setup.py install ?

with Arch Linux' AUR (Arch User Repository). it's like BSD's pkgsrc.. :P

so basically what I'm saying is, I have no idea :D

dholmes_: export track ratings from mp3 files or from wmp?

then I'd report a bug to the packager

peh: yay :D another arch user *waves

probably a missing dependency

Shapeshifter: from wmp. And also import from iTunes and Rhythmbox

Shapeshifter: hello :)

Shapeshifter: I'm not a believer that ratings belong in mp3 files anyways. ratings aren't a property of songs, they're a relation between songs and listeners

peh: yes, it doesn't list ffmpeg in depends

but.. but.. i HAVE ffmpeg installed :P

dholmes_: yeah that does make sense but it makes stuff a lot easier if the ratings are stored in the file.

darnit.. i'll just recompile

do you have something like /usr/include/libavcodec/...?

acually /usr/include/ffmpeg

i have libavc1394/ but that's obviously some FireWire-thingie

yup, I have that

pkg-config libavcodec --libs

does this work?

dholmes_: can't you just make wmp add the ratings to all your files so you can retreive them in any other library player and then wipe them off the files again?

and the same for libavformat

Shapeshifter: That's a good idea. I wonder why I never thought of that. ;)

luks: yup. looks allright

^^

then it looks just like a compilation issue

luks: oh well

Shapeshifter: in the long term, what I actually want is a way to associate ratings with MusicBrainz track IDs; that way I can keep ratings associated with songs no matter if the path or filename changes, etc. so long as the ID remains in the tag

thanks :)

the config setup in build() should tell you if it found all it needs

this arch thing looks even worse than gentoo... :)

luks: // discogsTags[] :P

Worse then gentoo? So you mean it's second best?;)

brianfreud: javascript...

Arch r00lz! wewt!

already have it scraped :D

yes! the bestestest!

but you import it manually, I meant like for all releases in the DB with discogs links :)

dholmes_: so you want your player to read the track ID, and then retreive the rating from some sort of DB where all the ratings are?

meh, true

dholmes_: or how do you imagine this to work?

allright, it's recompiled. no more error message!

cool

I'd still bug the packager

Shapeshifter: That would sure be nice, but I don't imagine that happening in anything except maybe bmpx someday. Failing that, scripts to import between that DB and various players would suffice.

brb...

and it's creating fingerprints too. sweet

luks: nah, it's probably a PEBKAC-error :P

missing depends is not

luks: I must have fscked something up, without realizing it...

it depends on libofa, which is useless without ffmpeg

..but libofa depends on ffmpeg in turn. see. ;) you don't use "double dependencies" in PKGBUILDS

it doesn't

Shapeshifter: Note that the DB in question could be MusicBrainz itself. There was a time when it looked like MB would have ratings data for everything.

at least one this one http://archlinux.org/packages/search/libofa/

ok, it doesn :P

t

dholmes_: but you just said that ratings shouldn't be stored with the tracks (and therefore not within MB) as it's something personal

Shapeshifter: In that system, they weren't per track, they were per track, user pair

So each user had their own

k

yay I blew my vista machine by opening a large xml file. opera just gave me an error, while IE froze the whole machine

quick question - what would be regex to match a string starting with http:// ?

* /http:\/\// ?

^http:\/\/ i guess

you possible don't even need to escape the slashes, depending on where it is :)

:) thanks

in a sed expression you'd need to escape them, but if you are just matching it shouldn't be necccesary

np

:)

lol.... vista. such a joke... I pressed ctrl-alt-del and I got a black screen for 5 minutes, then there's this funny popup saying "Failure - Securit Options" "Logon process has failed to create the security options dialog" instead of where the taskmanager button should be :P

I've actually been pretty lucky with Vista so far

It seems to be very much a "your mileage may vary" thing

LOL and now I'm running low on disk space on C.... that xml file is still "opening", at least my harddisk goes mad... while IE is "not responding"...

no way to stop this

The only problem I've had with Vista is that Windows Explorer has blocking issues and is occasionally unresponsive

I don't use IE, so I can't speak for that ;)