#musicbrainz

my first versino was 8 or something

<3 it

I started with version 3.61

haha, wow

it was very bad, I had to turn off page colours because it didn't understand most colour names

opera did tabs before ff was an orgasm in its father's imagination

becasue ff had plugins and opera didnt

futurist2: loi, yea

yeah, the tabs were one of the big things I liked about it

even though it couldn't render things very well at all

its zoom has some advantages over ff

the speed was the other

and zoom yea

zooming the page rather than the text

It wasn't tabs then, it was MDI.

and how yo ucan add notes

and use irc AND email lol

I hate the evil empire

well, it was one window and that's all I cared about

and you can use saved states

srotta what was bad, mdi or opera?

Then it was translated into tabs, and it magically became good and people wondered why MS didn't come up with that kind of wonderful innovations.

futurist2: MDI 8)

what's the difference between MDI and tabs?

Difference is that... well, basically MDI sucks and tabs are next thing to heaven.

No functional difference, but there's got to be something, right?

srotta in a web browser, ms never *did* innovate that way

in opera, you can define your own adressbar searches

srotta there was no mdi web browser from ms

so i got search on last.fm, and search on mb

and search on where the fuck ever

I have loads of dictionary searches

wtf is mdi?

nikki: juppityjupp

multiple document interface or something

psh

catcat the main thing opera is missing is better diigo support

futurist2: No, but there was hell of a lot of other programs that used MDI.

CatCat: you can do that in firefox too. (easily).

www.diigo.com for all you metadata nerds :p

diigo is pretty sweet

warp: but ff is sloooow and buggy

Does Opera support microformats?

(atleast for me)

CatCat: mdi = multiple document interface.

if you do a lot of intensive reading ont he web

futurist2: And everyone thought it was bad. I've never understood why the same people think tabs are good.

you can highlight and make popup notes on web pages

and they're stored in a central server

being opneing several documents in the same thingy

is fine

futurist2: diigo doesn't look like something which would be useful for me, intensive reading or no.t

word and seashore does it

most image ediotrs

warp how so?

why would i want to make popup notes on random web pages? :)

i can use bookmarks and notes in opera

srotta it's the way of switching documents that makes tabs better

warp do you mak enotes when reading paper books?

no

futurist2: And how is that different from MDI?

futurist2: no.

i guess mdi has drow down menu thing only

there's the rub i suppose

buunles yo udont maxermise tghe windows

the rub?

¬_¬

i do a lot of academic reading for university and need to jot things down, comment on the text, etc.

futurist2: i tend to do that the other way around.

CatCat: Nah, pretty much exactly like tabs. Of course it looked a bit weird if you had multiple smaller windows inside a single window.

CatCat: But the earlier MDIs were similar to something like Mirc (it still has MDI available, right?).

futurist2: that is, on a certain subject, have a single document with notes referring to other documents/urls. instead of keeping those notes with the other documents.

ah

then it dont get why that is supposedly "bad"

the main thing i'm missing is a way to do heirarchical bookmarks within a webpage like i can in acrobat, since i find mapping hte structure of the document, and the arguments, is way better than random highlighting and note-typing

warp, ah, depends how closely you're reading a single text. too bad that linking can't be tighter, i.e. to specific sentences or words in webpages/pdfs/notes

MDI is a solution to a problem which should not be solved at the application level.

I never really noticed a difference in how opera handles it... oh well

warp well same with tabs, but ms hasn't solved it, so the applications will solve it for now, imo

chrome://browser/content/browser.xul in Firefox is awesome

futurist2: yes, that's the problem. windows and os X don't have a window managers, so we're all stuck doing that ourselves.

http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/2007/2007-03/20... <-- that was the lamer

I can't see what's so lame about what they said

I can see what's so lame about the way they said it.

fsck SCO!

so muzz i'm still wondering about last.fm. there's no way to tag files from last.fm's databasr, if i udnerstand correctly, but scobbling correclty depends on having correct tabs?

futurist2: for now yeah

maybe if i link the thing to what he said to me

There are efforts being made though to consolidate multiple aliases to one entry, and to track recoggnition from fingerprinting

thats why hes lame

eep, 20:00

and im a retard :D

hi warp

Ignoring his personal insults at your spelling, he still has a point though, it's the whole ignorance is bliss thing in a sense

Sure, things may work for your now, bt they could be better and you just don't know it

or maybe they work exactly the way i want them to and he just lieks to find things thats wrogn and complain abotu them

wtf

CatCat: hello :D

sure there are *always* things that coudl improve

but ther eis nothing wrong wth opera in such a sence its botrhersome to use it or i have to circumwent it in a way

oi good day.. anyone knows if/how i can extract MB generated tag data from file to text format?

why doesnt anybody belive me in this?!

Muzzz: still, if you already know X doesn't fit your needs because of Y, then no amount of Z can make X be better whatever you're already using.

i must be mad becasue im not complaining, so obviusly i am unavare of the problem

"firefox rulez"

warp: exactly

hahahaha

warp, okay here's an example, recently I was given the task to design something in a manner which I felt would cater best to my needs, I did so. Sent them off and person X came back after having had made changes. I look at the changes at went "wow, this is actually awesome and not what I originally put down but better"

some peopel need ot always have somethign to complain about. there *is* always some thing ,sure

CatCat: I believe you because I'm the same

It was just beyond my capacity to see how to better something and self analyse my own work processes heh

:D

Muzzz: yes, and *there* tyou ahve a point

Muzzz: well, that certainly sounds sensible.

but that wasnt what my point was about

oh

and my 20

meh

Things can work for you, you can see ways in which things can work for you too, but often it's possible to improve upon your practices without you even realising

warp?

there are things I would like to see (ruby support >_<) but it works fine for me

!money 6,00 EUR NOK

See !help exchange

whats wrong with that then

!money 6.00 EUR NOK

6.00 EUR = 47.75574 NOK

oh, there is one thign that bothers me, the ajax search in 9.5b is weird

but it bothers me because I can't work out what the bug is

so I can't report it >_<

CatCat: my 20:00 comment is me being starting to become annoyed for being like xkcd.com/386 instead of doing something productive with my evening ;)

I have two 9.5b versions of opera and they both do different things with it, but 9.2whatever works fine, it's really weird

im opera the only thing bothers me is. yo ucant drag text fro ma page and onto a field, fex, ie had that. and the hoverover tab picture thign coudl have an option to disable it

but these are.. not really life and death

I'm sure you can get rid of the picture...