#musicbrainz

yllona: really? i've been told by people that see a lot of concerts that one of his shows at an ampitheater was one fo the best concerts they have seen

Briang: gah, not in my opinion.

frankly he sucks in a large venue

whirlpool

omg

so in picard I have an album by disturbed

trying to remember any seal songs; only one I can think of off the top of my head is Kiss from a Rose

whirlpool, yeah. still overproduced, sounds much better on the "unplugged" albums

on the right hand side it has check marks by all but 2 songs

on the left

whirlpool is also on his demo tape

it has the 2 songs as unmatch

they are the correct names

you need to drag the 2 songs over

and correct spellings

why in the hell did it do that

probably the other songs already had mbids from when you tagged in classic.

uhg

thanks for your help brian

I appretiate it

it's the same song whether it's on a demo tape or an album or a club or an amphitheater

same good^ song

I'd disagree somewhat - you know what I mean BrianG... the venue can make or break a song, depends on the accoustics of the place and how good the audience is...

BrianG: "deep water", "whirlpool" and "violet" are largely acoustic from the first seal album (1991)

yllona: yeah i've listened to seal before

but whirlpool is a very good song, to your point. but he seems to get lost on the stage in a large venue

he just lacks the charisma to carry a stadium sized audience. but i'm prob'ly spoiled havin seen most of the R & B greats during their prime

you were probably his first groupie right?

:)

I think that's true for most bands though - the only ones who really seem to sound better in huge venues are the ones who're simply too loud for anything smaller

no, i wasn't hip to seal until a friend gave me a bootleg copy of his demo tape, and i was out of college by then IIRC

was that back when groupies were into making plaster casts of artists body parts?

some performers are just beeter in smaller venues. good exaples: carole king and joni mitchell

soome performers are better in no venues

it takes a huge amount of charisma to carry a crowd of 25-50,00 people

The only non-"loud rock" artist I can think of who, imho, could handle a huge venue as well as a smaller one is Paul Simon

i'd never go to a james taylor or paul simon stadium gig either -- it would be a waste

you'd lose the intimacy, but I'm thinking of his Johannesberg show or the Central Park show - he was just as good a performer in those as anywhere smaller

i would never go to a stadium concert

for anyone

paul imon was only good ina stadium with lots of backing talent -- ie ladysmith black mambazo.

i was going to see wu tang in VT in april but it got canceled yesterday :(

also talking heads were only good in a large venue when they were touring (and being backed by) Funkadelic

well, that's probably it - perhaps for a non loud rock artist to pull off a stadium, it can't be the same small-venue-solo-accoustic artist performing

very few bands can outperform Funkadelic

even now.

how many heads constitutes a large venue to you?

hockey stadium or larger :)

I'd consider, say, anything larger than the 9:30 club

mid-size == 10-12K, to 15K

i want to go see Battles at the 9:30

it's a club, of course it's "small"

every time I went I got lucky and was able to get right to the stage; great place to see a show

it's about 1200-1500 heads even when jam-packed (also illegal) :)

it's slightly larger than what you remember (after the renovation)

much better place to see a show though than the capital ballroom - the speakers there are WAY too loud, and that venue's way too "loud" anyhow

keep in mid that the kennedy center itself is less than 3000 seats

went to see the Foo Fighters at the CB on their first tour, lost my hearing for a week, even with earplugs

even with ear plugs?

BrianFreud: yah, i'm going to see fishbone this weekend at a club, and even with earplugs it's going to be LOUD

what kind of ear plugs are you using?

yep. actually, tried to boot that one - the show was so loud, even with my mics as low as I could set them, it's just a wall of maxed sound on the tape

just standard cheapo ones

BrianG: i'm going to buy a new set of earplugs before the show, i'm still researching

the ones at CVS generally block more dB than ones maid for loud music

made*

probably was what I was wearing, or equiv; they were either from CVS or Rite Aid

BrianFreud: i went to a fishbone gig at a club in san jose that was so loud that i puked in the p arking lot -- no kidding

yeah, that show I ended up requesting mail room duty the week after - couldn't hear anyone on the phones

BrianG: that's good tip, i'll check out the cheap earplugs at CVS.

they say right on them how many dB they black

block

yeah, got to figure you'd be an expert on which are best :)

i have no idea what's best

don't wear earplugs at work?

but i've used the ones that cost 12 bucks a pair and the ones that are 12 bucks for 100 pairs

i hav e couple of calls into musician friends, but they've probly got custom-made sests.

the ones that are 12 bucks for 100 block more db

the ones that are 12 bucks a pair block enough db and clarify the music

you can spend hundreds on custom deals

I still think something's gone horribly wrong if you have to wear earplugs when listening to music.

12 bucks works for me :) so you remember the brand name?

meh, if it's loud enough that you're bothering with earplugs, imho, there's too much noise and too little fine detail to worry about trying to hear it more clearly anyhow

srotta: exactly

yllona: http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx

it's not always that it's so loud

but prolonged exposure to sort of loud

Poe at the 9:30 club, standing front row center without earplugs, hearing was fine. Foo Fighters at the CB standing in the back of the room, couldn't hear for a week. I think some groups just tend to turn the speakers to stadium volume no matter the venue size, others actually pay attention.

BrianFreud: true. i went to a funkadelic show in a club in san Francisco that was so loud, that i could hear the music clearly in the backoffice two floors away from the club. that show was insanely loud. just insane

you could have been head level witht he amps

slight location changes can effect things more than you think

the speakers in the front row could have been behind you or next to you

BrianG: very true. i typically stand at the sound board anymore

sure, but honestly, do venues the size of the CB really need 12+ foot tall walls of speaker racks?

some bands don't adjust "down" from their stadium days. :)

yeah i try to stand near the sound board also

the show witht he largest number of people attending that i was at was dmb in central park 2003

100K

BrianG: thanks i can get the etymotic earplugs all over LA.

these days I try to just avoid even the standard venue shows... I'd much rather hit a club or one of the tiny Fells Point-sized venues, where attendance is in the 50-300 range, and they don't feel much need for speakers at all

BrianG: i attended a couple of 125K+ shows back in the day... that was the 70s tho -- back when festival seating was still encouraged at stadium shows

Impeach GWB NOW!

largest 2 I've probably been to were Bush at AU, without seats, and Elton John at RFK, up in the seats

Impeach GWB NOW!

thanks MBChatLogger, wrong Bush :P

MBChatLogger has major attitude problems. :-(

MBChatLogger: Are you evil?

I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'Are you evil'

actually the biggest i can remember, without thinking really hard was Prince/George Thorogood/J Geils band /Rolling Stones in 1981 or 1982

all 4 on the same ticket?

at the los angeles coliseum

that had to be one hell of an insane audience

BrianFreud: yep. all on the same ticket. that was the style (back in the day)

and yes, the audience was completely out of control, the promoter actually shut the show down for a couple of hours

ugh i hate when we have mroe than 2 bands on a bill at work

must have been fun though... When I was in Cali, I used to go down to the Caning Club every Friday and Sat - typically 6 or 8 bands on the bill, each only like a 15 minute set - just long enough to be sick of them if they sucked, just right for most good punk bands.

BrianFreud: yep. i saw X, missing persons, the minutemen, in the same type of setting. the whole show with all the bands was about 90 minutes start to finish

hmmm, X in LA in 1984?

BrianFreud: even before that, in 84 i was out of college, so i'm thinking maybe 2-3 years before then

ah, it was '81 I was thinking of

http://musicbrainz.org/release/b9298d79-add4-47... and http://musicbrainz.org/release/1a599d21-5880-46... :P

yeah, i would have had to still be in high-shool, or my first years of college when i was listening to that type of music -- by 84 i had moved on to other things

yeah, I still have those 2 boots floating around here somewhere - the band's name was an easy one to remember :)

yep they formed in 77, so that's about right for me, i was still in high school.

a bit before my time - think I first heard them on a King Biscuit show

i think eXene cervenka passed away a couple of years, i remember being surprised that she had lived even that long

nope, she's still alive

luks: ping?

BrianFreud: pong

luks, cool, was about to head to bed.

Have a request for you... Any chance a status indicator would be possible within Picard? Aval0n mentioned it as essentially the make or break for him when I was trying to help him switch from classic earlier, and I myself would find it helpful when I'm working on things like puid generation/attachment as a tag (for files for releases not yet in MB, when I have nothing else to scan, I scan them ahead of time, to already later h

Wouldn't have to be fancy, just something like "total files to be saved: 100 / total files left to be saved: 43" down in the status area

not very likely this will happen any soon, at the moment picard doesn't know which files are 'to be saved', which files are 'to be scaned', etc.