#musicbrainz

oh, the second one is ./admin/psql RAWDATA <./admin/sql/vertical/rawdata/CreateFKConstraints.sql

not READWRITE

allright

luks: where do you see this?

nowhere, that's why I have correct myself so often :)

ah :)

outsidecontext: you are running windows right now, can you check some other players with WMP support?

*WMA

only my virtual windows, i will have to install some. i'm at the moment downloading winamp

QL shows the complete date as it was saved in the tag

of course it does, I wrote that code :)

luks: so this is the one? http://www.codebin.nl/pastes/view/PyhB0xuilKPE

um, no

:)

I didn't realize I had wrong another part :)

one sec

allright

luks: thx for writing it that way, then :D

this pastebin is seriouly confusing

luks" yeah I know

virtualized windows 7 seriously sucks

luks: hmm :\ don't have logrotate on my mac. I use it without

outsidecontext: pushing out live syntax check for scripting option pane

cool

I've also reordered tagging pane a bit, please take a look at that

pronik, the changes make sense

luks: great! updating now. Thanks a lot

Robert in the room?

pronik: another point on this page is "Write ID3v2 version 2.3 tags (2.4 is default)". nobody understands that option the first time

ruaok: you robert?

I understand it :D

yep.

he! charlie here from cloudspeakers

Utrecht, NL?

oh, hi!

:)

outsidecontext: I think it should be two radio buttons

everything ok?

heh. I think I caught your cold when I visited. :-(

luks: i like proniks changes. if you are fine with it i suggest he can merge it

yeah, I heard that. sorry about that

yep, things are well. how about you?

luks: yes, would be better

no worries. :)

everything ok.

outsidecontext: I haven't seen the latest changes, but if you like it, I'm for merging it

outsidecontext: have been my thoughts too -- I dare to say, nobody understands ID3 too, so I was inclined to put "MP3 tags version 1" in there

s/too/neither/ ;)

pronik: i would not oversimplify it. people semm to be quite used to ID3 and use it for every tagging format :)

yeah :)

that's why I left it that way

should I play with radio buttons a bit?

but merge your changes

if you want, yes

I want to :)

great

just today i had to explain a collleague how this options is intended to work ;)

init update is taking a long tie. What's the average time for hourly updates?

*time

I also get the feeling we need a sane default for this whole encoding thing

in my mind, id3v2.4 == UTF8, id3v2.3 == UTF-16, latin1 should not be used

primeminister: have you increased the shared_segments in your postges setup?

ruaok: let me check

the default install is a bit weak, which causes updates to run a really long time.

id3v2.3 already defaults to utf16, utf8 will be greyed out

yes, I know that. Any reason to use utf-16 or latin1 with id3v2.4?

same question goes for latin1 with id3v2.3

pronik: players, sw and hw, are so broken that people have to use them

ruaok: ok. I'll check that

don't know, people have strange needs

so I'll make it a radio button: "Prefer v2.3/2.4 for tagging"

I meant something like "Version of ID3 tags: (.) ID3v2.4 ( ) ID3v2.3"

same thing, sloppy text on my side...

ah

would it still be editable in the config file?

ruaok: hm, that top is a fun post on mb-devel. i'm always confused by such situations too, and have no answer to your question.

lol

nikki: it will use the same config variable

just different UI

if its not disk or cpu, its gotta be bus. :)

ah, so people can edit the config file if they really want a weird setup

hm?

ruaok: try iotop for a change ;)

all combinations are possible also from the GUI

nikki: weird setup stays as it is, I'm just changing the gui a bit

oh, it sounded like you were not asking for the encoding

not yet :)

ruaok: what is your concern in that top listing btw?

warp: the load?

trying to understand.

isn't a load of 4 normal if you have that many cores?

yep. and I don't start getting worried about the load once it reaches 8.

and even 2xcores is still doable.

outsidecontext: 'originaldate': N_('Original release date'), -- title case please

or change all the other tag names :)

ruaok: try vmstat 1

na, i rather change mine. thx for noticing

alastairp: http://musicbrainz.pastebin.com/m7ca5cf10

io doesn't seem heavily loaded.

someone has also suggested press 'i' when top is up

what does i ?

do

> if there aren't about 4 processes

> then it's interrupts

> oh

> you have pythons

GIL?

no, they are separate processes, not threads.

pronik: iotop shows apache writing stuff to log files. very quiet.

√√ruaok: you are sure the option is shared_segments and not shared_buffers

shared_buffers is right :)

cool! ;)

up it by a factor of 10

upped it to 16384kb

good.

thnx

the stop the replication when its downloding a new packet.

shut down PG and restart.

then resume replication.

allright

thnx

ruaok:

> then that probably doesn't count towards iowait

do the search servers communicate directly with web?

yes, but there are two layers of proxying web servers in front

so, maybe thats a no. not sure.

right

well, that's about the limit of my experience :)

seems this is not so commonly understood. :)

what are you wondering specifically? why the cpu utilisation isn't higher?

yes

right

cuz there is plenty of ram and the disks are idle.

so, it must be blocking on something else.

the only other comment was that the syscall% is pretty high