#musicbrainz

ok, I maybe get that, but the negatives would seem to outweigh that saved request.

hardly, to stop your escaping issue you just need to run the %INCLUDE% through a %FILTER%

even ignoring escaping the HTML when including it, it's also adding 20+k to the .js file's size, and doing it on all pages we use that script, rather than only pulling it on the pages that actually might ever use it

yes, the size I got wrong

though I don't think that argument quite holds - just put it in its own JavaScript file, and only include where you use it

ausing bug x in the js)

well, putting it in its own .js - it's html, not js - how is that any different from what I was asking for?

apart from the file's extention, that is

No, you move the code to add a new release event to it's own javascript file

So you wouldn't include that on the edit release title page

ok - but why would we make it complex, forcing it into a .js to dynamically generate, instead of just having a uri that serves "HTML for Event" "HTML for Track/Artist", etc?

if the user clicks add release event, even assuming that HTML fragment page isn't cached the first time, it's still only a tiny delay for the user to wait for it to load, vs a full page reload

Because the majority of these templates do not require any server side processing, which removes the need for AJAX

ok, but this theoretical .js would, for each of the 2 or 3 ESI-type req's I have in, right?

the server side processing bit, I mean

re: AJAX, all of the ES will eventually be loaded in a lazy load manner - I got the new button factory done last night, next up is writing the lazy loader

If things have to hit the database, then fine - AJAX is ok - but if they don't need to access server side resources, I don't think they should be served in the same mannor

maybe I'm wrong there though

why? The whole point of the templates is consistent (and quick templates to write) HTML generation, right? It's not that it hits the db or not...

Yes... and I didn't say "don't use the template" did I?

there are other ways we can do this without requiring additional requests

do any other devs have any thoughts on this?

well, I think we're close to the same thing by now. You want it to be an %INCLUDE% in a .js, I'd rather keep it out of the .js and load a page fragment only if it's even needed. Either one would still have the %INCLUDE%, it's just whether it's in the .js, or separate

I want you to use the template, but I don't want this to be an ESI action. now for release events, it may need to be a full blown action due to the database country list

also the media type list - that one actually is the most likely to not be static

esp with the tt+ NGS release

Gotta go drop the gf off at school, back in 35 min or so

ok

[03:26] brianfreud_top right corner of every page, but staying there, sure, but moving with me as I scroll?... ugh

DUDE, I *HATE* that too

:D

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but guys, when you post the pages of all these development servers with "Uv" buttons

cause i don't see anything

and i *like* http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1106/tagging.png

;p

CatCat: did my page not work?

i didn't se a biutton, if thats what you mean :)

button*

You don't see a tab at the top right corner of the page here? http://musicbrainz.homeip.net/

there should be a feedback entry at the right of the orange bar

I've not looked but I'm hoping maybe the new options menu also covers http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2239 and http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2394

time for a haircut

brianfreud: no and no. i see no easy way to fix 2239 inside the naming options page without cluttering everything. and 2394 should be a separate options menu under "advanced" anyway

outsidecontext: for 2239, why not a "replace all with _" and "select which character to use to replace each invalid windows character" radio, with a separate popup menu for the latter?

sorry, for 2394, I mean

and 2239, just a popupable floating window with a reference list?

CatCat: mine works fine for me in opera 9.27... are you looking in the right place?

aCiD2: don't cut your hair!!!

nikkeee: i seew nothing there

"HEM'S SERVER" is all the tecxt i see of the top dtuff

no button underneeth, screen shot?

ok, ruaok's doesn't work for me either in 9.27

wher is yourth?

erh

your

i see a new choose "feedback" optino on the menu

cool

yeah!

i think gravatar is lame

they dont even suport animating gifs

for annoying flashing shit, yea

but i my thing isn't flashing, it doesn't work witouth a animation

gravatar is lame because I really don't care about seeing you stare back at me from my screen

Filesizes are too large, and they look shit.

after going trough gravatar atleast

LotR: I don't mind them for profiles. If they were in edit notes, that might get a bit too chatboardish for me

No, GIFs always look shit.

apng, hurray

brianfreud: it could be used to help better the "community" aspect of MB.

maybe, I'd have to see it in action

please, please PLEASE. NO avatas in enitnotes and on edit screens

brianfreud: I don't really care all that much, since my ABP rules block everything from gravatar.com :)

NO

if that haoppens i serilously leave mb.. maybe :p

Muz: My fear would be people would then see edit notes more as chatboards, not edit notes

start having random convos in notes, like it was some bulletin board

Wizzcat: animating png? even better :D only use gig casue thats all i knew animated

CatCat: promises promises!

brianfreud: exactly

brianfreud: what's stoppping them from doing that now?

Muz: they still don, but yes

would make it easier ot see who's saying what, but its unecesary

CatCat: svg is even better, but of course ie supports neither

I'd want my mutant potato picture, if i can't have that i dont want any thing :p

Wizzcat: føkk ie :D

How selfish and immature.

uh, muz, i think yo udidnt see my ":p"

It hardly remains as a valid point to not have them on edit notes. You admit that it'd make it easier to distinguish things and thus improve usability and the UI, but you don't want it. Seems awfully backwards of you.

oh, yes muz has lost his luls, i forgot that,

nevermind

muz is alll grown uuup now

lol

Besides, there's nothing stopping someone from adding a preference to enable/disable user avatars.

you'd have to police them as well, so the site remains sfw

can be a bit cumbersome

or maybe gravatar actually sorts that out, handy

Gravatar does all that.

Gravatar also sets age ratings, and you can set your site to only show gravatars from certain ratings or higher heh.

brianfreud: "why not a "replace all with _" and "select which character to use to replace each invalid windows character" radio" => Ii would put it on a separate options page and allow the configuration of the general replacement character as well as special replacements for single characters

pretty nice system, I wonder how they monetize i t

sure, something like that - make it easy if someone wants just the generic replacement, but still allow the specific replacement

Monetize, web companies? Hahahaa.

how web 3.0 of you! :D

gravatar is a side project of wordpress.com

so I don't think they have to worry too much about monetising it

I can't imagine that Wordpress makes much money.

I think their business model is fairly sound

Is there a problem running a musicbrainz mirror on Apache2?

I imagine it's doable butthe current release is oooolde

And thus it uses apache-perl and some other voodoo.

Hmmm. I wonder if I can run 2 versions concurently on the same server - one in a chroot jail

You don't even need that, hooray for vhosts etc.

YEah, but I'm running apache 2. Can i set up a single vhost to behave as apache 1.1 ?

Ah, iirc there was a patch to get things working on Apache2 fine.

http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=356 There.

I'll go look. I never saw a reference for that

It's a bit unofficial, but it may work.

Worth a try. Thanks ;-)

np.

I have to tag approximately 100K files in a one-off operation. Do you think it's worth setting up a local mirror to do this?

ok, time to get haircut attempt 2

>.>

Place was full, so I went to sainsbury's instead

Sainsbury's cut hair now ? ;-)

Munger: you could just set it up on a VM to avoid issues with apache2

Muz, I thought of that. Not sure how much of a drain it will be on the junky old XP box though

Munger: could just give it a crappy Debian VM. 128MB RAM should be sufficient.

I was going to try the VMWare Player approach first anyway, and see if I want to run a more permanant server later. I have a feeling the time-consuming bit will be generating 100K puid's first

I am not sure how much bandwidth is involved in generating a puid

Not much, it's more of a CPU intensive issue iirc.

And even then, to just generate PUIDs you need to use MusicIP mixer.

That or genpuid from MusicDNS's site.

Picard can only link existing PUIDs to MBIDs.