#musicbrainz

lol

navap: sure, but only if you understand whatfk "ETI" stands for

gah, 20:30 already. i had more productive things planned.

I think you mean 'schön' :P

And know we all do! :)

it bleeds int oopera and musicals

now*

see, I would call a soundtrack something like an opus, so I would put "Main Title" (from Foo) into the Foo opus, and handle it in CSG ordering

like the rocky horros picture show, musical, movie

so Foo: Track title (then ETI stuff)

brianfreud we think exactly the sam on this

heh

http://musicbrainz.org/release/fff250bd-6c12-4f... makes more sense, then, to me, vs http://musicbrainz.org/album/a9fe63ef-d10b-4774...

ja jøss

Messes up last.fm stats though ;)

fuck last.fm

set the "is a version/later release of" ARs and hope for track masters asap :D

But then I would have to hope that last.fm adopts track masters as well.

Otherwise, it doesn't really do much, stats wire.

wise*

i really don't care about last.fm anymre

i'm apparently no good because i don't come from x country

And yea, I imagine you're right that they would want something like that.

that's why I need my treetablelistthingy

catgroove: I hear what you mean..I'm practically just in an extension of the US but I'm excluded as well.

i don't mind paying, i have absolutely NO wrong with that. it's that *other guy x* doesn't have to, that i'mnot coolwith

why do america, the uk and germany get it free anyway?

last.fm charges now?

either everyone or noone

Probaby the biggest userbase?

bull

Don't want to upset them?

I admit, I've somewhat ignored the site for a while now

well it will be the biggest userbase after tihs

nikki: because last.fm has enough advertisement income from those regions.

catgroove: you norwegians don't click enough banners!

I don't use it much now 'cause it's slow, half the time the pages just never finish loading :/

Which is related to bigger userbase :p

warp: where did they say that?

not myf ault

nikki: in the comments of the announcement.

ah

i *paid* subcription, so i dint have to click on adds

aperantly that's wrong

catgroove: if you paid, then you can still listen to the stream, nothing changes for you.

it's the prinicpal of the thing

principle

whatever

i *can* aford it

but to people who can't

it's not fair

like idk, philiphines or taiwan

the french and the italians are gettign shafted too

it's not that paying, its the others don't haveto

it is grossly unfair

nikki: "These are the countries in which we have the most resources to support an ad sales organization, which is how we earn money to pay artists and labels for their music. We are focused on the US, UK, and Germany as key markets, with the help of the CBS Interactive salesforce and our own sales team here in London. Our headquarters are in the UK and we’ve always had a strong presence in DE."

we even don't get as good for wha we pay as those that get it for *free* do

I think it is pretty fair.

it doesn't make sence, they hould chargethem, the biggest userbase.

they make enough money in those areas that they don't have to charge those users. sadly, they do have to do that in other regions.

the only thing that'll happen is that they lose a to nof users wh owouldn'v other wise payed of theri *free will*

free will is a big thing for me, i payed because i wanted to, because i wanted to suport. i don't care for paying because i *have* to

catgroove: i doubt that is more than those who will now pay for the service, and otherwise wouldn't have bothered.

because they have to

ofcourse they don't.

yes they do

that or move to some other country

i should move to the uk?

you can still use the site without paying. except the radio streams, if you _want_ those, sure, you have to pay for it. it's not like it's cheap to stream music for free to all of the internets. it's only fair that you pay for it.

why do i have to move to another country to get the same deal *over the WEB*

I know norway's not in the EU, so this wouldn't apply, but I'm surprised that they can legally give it free to DE and UK, but not other EU countries

yepp. but it's not fair that some other people lget it for free while others (in countriesthat are poor) have to pay

brianfreud good point

brianfreud: eh? legal is not the issue here.

if I ever want to use it from outside those three countries I'll just proxy my connections ¬_¬

it is with the eu

brianfreud: they can legally stream to most of the world.

niiikkiii

warp: I mean differential pricing depending on which EU country you might be in

ie, charging France, etc, but not DE or UK

brianfreud: why would that be illegal?

brianfreud i can see why a french peron would be *very* annoyed with that

warp: differential / preferential pricing within the EU trade zone?

brianfreud: yes? :)

I kind of thought that wasn't permitted by the EU constitution

there is no EU constitution, that thing didn't make it.

I thought different pricing wasn't allowed either, but then again, that didn't stop itunes so I guess not

Oh internet, you never fail to deliver.

muz :)

atleast we don't get godwin in here usually.

Yet.

Also the whole "waaaaah, you'll lose loads of your usebase" and making out the impact to be greater than it is gets tiring.

you have a service, you pay a price. If you don't want to use the service, don't pay the price

It's not like your whining is really going to make them go against what has been announced.

Muz yo udont work there amor, so STFU

lol, why get people so worked up about this?

MClemo: no idea.

catgroove: funny that, because everything I know about the internal workings, and past procedures from the past 3 years mean nothing. Along with ideas that had been long announced internal months ago.

because we thouht last.fm was different thna all the other craps

It's not strictly last.fm's fault though, so you can't point the finger at them.

all right, true enough

Not can you really blame the labels for all of this. It's an amalgum of a another things.

*Nor

last.fm is a business like any other. It's not that streaming to the world doesn't cost anything

so why shouldn't they charge?

MClemo: I think for a lot of people it's the fact they only charge some countries and not others

MClemo: catgroove is mostly annoyed by who they charge and who they don't charge.

again, thats not the problem? its the "free for u, but not fi u" attitude

A lot of this negativity is the by product of the current internet age we live in with this mentality of "I can get it for free, so why don't I?"

well, that different regions pay different prices isn't a new thing in economy either

catgroove: lots of things in life are like that. Country specific markets have been about for ages.

its the internett, ther is no such thing as "borders" :)

Muz: yeah, all those comments going "oh noez! spotify is a much better deal. i will never pay for last.fm!"

i still think it's lame

Legally speaking there still is. You're preching about an idealistic idea which more industries need to adopt if Last.fm were to continue the way they were in a much more sustainable matter.

i'm intitleded to thin kti's lame, i belive im' right in thinking it's lame

i'm not saying any of those thing's arent true, heck they are true

it's still. lame

warp: the main issue is how this service has been "taken away" from other people, not so much enforcing this. Many other products do this, Spotify included.

meh, spotify sucks balls too

they all do, it was that last.fm *didn't*

now it does.. just like the rest.. whopee

I fail to see how Spotify sucks, it offers a much better service in my opinion.

meh, lost is on

bye gys

I don't use the streaming on last.fm anyway.

Reasons are often nice when accompanied with opinion heh.

last.fm is a bit bloated, I rarely visit it nowadays. I do like the 'events' stuff and use that occassionally.

I've never used last.fm. ¬_¬

Bring back audioscrobbler!

:D

i signed up to audioscrobbler i think.

acid2: that's pretty much what you've got if you're not in the US, UK or Germany.

although it was already partly integrated with last.fm at that point.

:P