#musicbrainz

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nikki: I don't like the idea of namespaces because the URL's drastically change. I can't just rename the end part of the URL to go to a different doc, I have to also think about what userspace it would be in.

Unless I'm misunderstanding how they work..

unless they all still work for wiki.foo

Well, they wouldn't. http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Wiki_Home vs http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Wiki_Home

They can't coexist together, thats the point of a namespace.

It might also lead to a document being created twice, once on each namespace.

I meant make http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Wiki_Home an alias for http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Talk:Wiki_Home

But then you lose the original page..

Image having http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics redirect to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Physics.

What would be the point, you totaly lose the "real" article.

s/Image/Imagine/

Unless you meant the other way around. Have the "other" namespace redirect back to the original, that might work.

But that still seeems a bit more complicated then needed.

I think Categories are the correct way of separating official docs, official style guidelines, and normal pages.

Does Picard handle .flac files?

Check the about dialog, it says so there

From what I see, yes.

Oh yeah. Thanks

Why didn't you just try it? :/

Because I haven't pulled the flac files from the acrchive yet, and was wondering whether I was going to have to convert them

Ah, I see you follow the same random naming schema as me.

Ah, I see you follow the same random penis schema as Muz.

creature: I'm sure that if you check a load of the throwaway scripts I wrote and left at Last.fm, you'll find the words "moose" "pony" and "penis" in abundance.

P-p-p-poker face.

I got in trouble for putting "pony" in the test data at work. D:

Hahah, I only ever use "pony" as test data at work.

The amount of papers and oversized JPGs of ponies sitting on the dev server is probably worrying.

http://pony.goeswhere.com/ amirite?

Haha, not quite.

Just pictures of ponies. No loli.

Close enough to doing it right.

"Wait, you mean there's loli? I was too busy staring at the pony"

<3

navap aaaahh: http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Main_talk:Trac... should NEVER EVER redirect to http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Main:Track_Title. it is a talk (discussionpage) for that page

as for namespaces, it would be used to group similar pages together

like all how to's and faq togeher, all wikidocks together

I didn't mean that the talk page should redirect to the article :)

any page that was http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/fooo going to http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/somenamespace:foo would of course have a redirect

If you want to group articles that belong in the same category, well, use categories :)

it makes it much easie to search for the thing you want

categories will also be used

with namespaces you can choose to include discusions, help and wikidoc, but exlude historical documents and not finalised guidlines (guidelineproposals) when searching

for example

pages in Wikidoc:foo (or man:foo or whatever) would be pages that never change (or sheldome change9

pages in help:foo would be spesifically how to's and faq help pages and newbie guides

everything else would probably be in main (eg no namespace)

what i mean is that namespaces (if used) will be obvious, pages won't randomly be scattered around strange namespaces

as lucks said, we will only need a few

I have a CD here with a track credited to 'The Crickets an Buddy Holly'. Do I create a new artist for this one?

media wiki comes with a few ones by default, and help is one of them, we might as well fill it with usefull information that people can utilise, rather than being empty and just confusing

erh, that depends what artist it really is, an alias, a working relationship, just a gimmic, etc

Well. MB already has 'The Crickets' and 'Buddy Holly'. Normally I see them credited as 'Buddy Holly and The Crickets', but this CD specifically credits it the way I said

brianfreud: how did shn2ogg work out?

actually, haven't tried it yet

Ah. It looks interesting.

been focusing on trying to get the rest of the part number style bugs out of the way... a day or two behind where I want to be in the schedule of stuff to be done

2428 tests of 5789 failed atm - that should be halved in a half hour or so :)

:)

Is there a way I can see if an MB track ID is deprecated?

what is a deprecated track ID?

luks: The source of a merge.

via the website or the xml webservice?

Presumption: In a merge, there's a source, and a target. The target survives as the "canonical" MBID, the source is deprecated?

luks: both preferred (so I can test using UI)

Could somebody please vote on these. I added a new release and had to edit the title and I need it to update before I can save the changes in Picard

and see if <track id="..."> matches the ID you gave it

Okay.

Easy enough.

Second question: For a given track ID, can I find all of the deprecated track IDs in MB?

there is no interface for that right now

Okay.

DB then, I guess.

it would involve some select * from gid_redirect where ...

Thanks ;-)

luks: Okay, thanks.

brianfreud, ping

pong

In your opinion, what should "C'mon Everybody" capitalize as?

MB seems to make it C'Mon

It should be C'mon

C'Mon is a known ' bug

OK. Thought it might be

Ticket 2777 ;)

how hard is it to messup that, anyway, after ' it should be lowercase, duh

then ther are exeption o THAt. not the otherway around

it's very silly, thank goodnes we'regetting a fix

mo, cause there's a ton of different capitalizations for '

That's likely our most complex rule, capitals-wise, actually

for english, i can't see why

other languages would have different rules

patterns (v=lc, X=uc, where 2 vv's indicates 2+ lc letters) 1) 'v 2) d' 3) O'Xvv 4) T'Xv 5) Xvv'v 6) Xvv'vv 7) Xvv' 8) 'n' 9) o' 10) 'O' 11) X'vv

O'Henry, T'Paul, O'Clock

sorry i don't get any of that

I'd've died had I been in charge of this. >.<

brianfreud they have a simple pattern ,N'*

only one letter before '

other example?

1) It's 2) Tim d' Arc 3) O'Clock 4) T'Paul 5) Henry's 6) You're 7) Alabam' 8) Rock 'n' Roll 9) It's 9 o' the Clock 10) Sign 'O' the Times 11) I've

Alabam'????

Alabama

tim d' arc is a space

Wrappin' Wreckin' Writin'

henry's should be lowercase

yes, hence d' not d'X

o' the lock, spaces

no, it shouldn't

exactly

the 's shoul be!

see the pattern list I gave

ibri am not a coder, i do not understnad that

It's *normally* U'lll

and i am increasingly irritating myself with my typing

except when it's O'Ulll or T'Ulll

not understanding

just our crazy English caps :P

don't want to, i'm just trying to say, don't try to over complify it to get every single rare thing

it already handled C'mon a week ago :P

as well as 'til Wat'cha 'Em All He'd Ev'rybody We're Ev'ry They'll 'Round Y'all It's They've :P

'em not EM

erh 'Em

yeah, 'vv is the only pattern not currently working