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not much to do about that, though it works better if you tag entire releases

ah so it's the compilation that needs fixing...

our application TronMe rely on MB to give an ID to a track from iTune :(

if MB return an ID with a different album name or songname then we do not idnex it and user cant use his m4a in our player to add interactivity to his track

ok thank you for your help anyway, so we may need to create an ID by ourself

if an artist released their ep only through their website (as a freely downloadable zip file), should release country be [worldwide] or their country of residence?

(or something else?)

(and release date would be the date the ep was announced, right?)

I suppose so

ok but so now the iTune track will even not match with any MB database

because now you edit and change the existing Love Game to loveGame

hey umm, i'm getting ready to add a few artists to the site and i'm not 100% sure what i need to do

the artists are thai, and have names like ปนัดดา เรืองวุฒิ

at least that's the name as far as i can tell, i'm reasonably certain i have the correct english translation

oh lord, googling that makes japanese look easy

heh

also, there are others which have a thai name like ลูกหว้า ดูบาดู, but amazon (and others) list the english translation as Lookwa (Pijika Jittaputta)

Wizzcat: was your "I suppose so" meant for me or for TronMe?

which i'm assuming is something along the lines of lookwa = puff daddy, Pijika Jittaputta = sean combs

anyway, does any have any earthly idea of what would be the correct way to enter these?

v6lur: you, setting a country for a blog zip doesn't make a lot of sense

"See more Baton catching balls." gee, great translation google

okay, i did suspect so :) thanks

yeah, google translation is useless

daveisadork: I'm guessing lookwa is an artist alias, but it's hard to say for sure

the question is if the thai spelling is her actual name, and not an alias as well

not useless... it gives quite good understanding of "general point" of the text :P

i think it is the thai spelling of the alias

well

all of the thai names are broken into two parts, like a first and last name

only one of them has only one part, which makes me think the others are just the thai spelling of their full name where that one is probably the thai spelling of the alias

maybe i need to print these out and go get some paneng today and ask someone at the restaurant lol

bound to be some editors who can help you, though I couldn't say who

if i just add the english names of the artists, can someone who knows wtf they're doing with thai language stuff go back and do the proper names?

hmm, Free Download Relationship Type shouldn't have direct link to the file, but to the page where the file can be downloaded, right?

Correct.

daveisadork: I wouldn't bank on that ever happening ;)

daveisadork: actually, the thai name transliterates to lookwa doobaadoo it seems

where'd you find that?

hrmm

i think i see what's going on here

the thai spellings i have

are the alias and the first name

so

for the artist Chonlanan Limthai

who uses the alias Lookpad

the thai spelling would be transliterated at Lookpad Chonlanan

are they purposely messing with us? lol

well under that name at least there's a latin release, so you don't have to care about the thai

there is?

oh

well all the albums are in "latin" on amazon and itunes

so you're saying i should just do that and not mess with the thai spellings?

thai names are ;_;

daveisadork: just go with what the sleeve says

what about Nan (Wathiya Ruayniratana) and  Lookwa (Pijika Jittaputta)

if she credits herself with a latin translation then great

*transliteration

i don't have a sleeve, they're amazon downloads :/

you've got amz album covers, good enough ,)

ok

i'll just use the names as listed on amazon, but the question remains of Lookwa (Pijika Jittaputta)

and Nan (Wathiya Ruayniratana)

gnu_andrew: heh, I was just wondering why you weren't autoeditor, gz in advance :)

should i add them as "Lookwa" and "Nan" respectively?

gz?

gratz

congratulations

daveisadork: you'll just have to go with your gut, I don't realy know, just make an annotation to the fact that you don't know

oh

it's clearly gunzip to me

I thought gz was common lingo, that's what I get for playing wow for four years

haha

hi I would like to send an invitation to Musicbrainz reg users do you know where I could post this message?

newsletter or something like that?

TronMe: we use blog.musicbrainz.org for announcements, but we'll only use it for musicbrainz related posts.

well our Media Player is directly linked and using MusicBrainz to index the music so even if its a different product it's still related

Then do yolu think I can do it?

not sure, it's probably best if you e-mail ruaok about it.

ok do you have his email?

he runs musicbrainz :), it's on either the musicbrainz or metabrainz sites.

ok thank you i think 6 months ago he offered me this possibility

he's also currently on holiday, so it might be a good idea to wait until he gets back. which is in about two or three weeks I think.

oh its holidays in the US

(though I expect he checks his e-mail fairly regularly even now)

?

holidays in us right now?

we have a large holiday the end of next week

but not right now

It could be pretty chaotic if the whole of the US went on holiday for 2 weeks at the same time.

er s/could/would

Wizzcat, thanks :)

ah wonderful the disc ID for Queen's Greatest Hits resolved to three releases, all identical but not merged because people want to represent the box sets...

ok thanks

people who hate the duplication because of box sets will probably really hate ngs :/

thanks cu

nikki, why's that? I've already learned today that ngs seems to have no room for relationships at the tracklisting level at present

because ngs has releases which contain discs, whereas we currently have discs which contain release events, so 1 release with n events at the moment will show up as n releases (they can still link to the same tracklist, but it just seems like people hate having the same thing show up more than once)

The difference is that currently we have separate tracks showing up separately, NGS will be the same track showing up seprately :) A vast improvement.

well we don't have one entry per track anyway, it's not like it's nice and tidy and duplicating a few tracks will make a huge mess :P

ah you mean like http://test.musicbrainz.org/release-group/69ce6... - they all appear to be separate releases

I guess I'm so used to seeing duplicates (as pseudo-releases...) that it doesn't bother me if someone duplicates a release for a release that actually exists

yeah

I wonder how they'll show up when people do a cd lookup...

nikki, that's the bigger issue, currently you lookup the disc ID for Greatest Hits, you get 3 results, not 1:1

nikki, as imported it's going to be about 10-20 disc IDs in NGS...

nikki, but that can be cleaned up

sorry 10-20 releases per disc ID

oh not so bad

presumably it sensibly excludes the vinyl version from having disc IDs...

I was thinking more that you can merge the tracklists because the name is no longer linked to the tracklist... which is also the problem, since the name is no longer linked to the tracklist, I wonder whether it'll return all unique names or all releases

if that made any sense :P

yeah I was thinking merge the tracklistings too

then create release groups to represent the box sets

I'm not sure there's enough data associated with a tracklist generally

It can't even have an artist

well, if we tried to make ngs do everything it would never get done :P

nikki, too true, though at the moment it seems to be losing information

compare http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/d8f0aebd-2... and http://test.musicbrainz.org/release/e70c2216-03...

it loses a bit, but gains a lot more

that could probably be solved just by fixing the importing of pre-NGS data

well the best thing to do is file bug reports :P

if you find something the conversion script should be skipping, I mean

I will

which reminds me that I need to test one of the fixes I did...

nikki, thanks for seconding my nomination btw

no problem :) I was surprised you weren't already an auto-editor

obviously we need a list of users who've made a lot of edits or something so we can go "what the... I thought he/she was an auto-editor! *nominate*" :P