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Anybody there?

no :P

bugger

hah

I have an MusicBrainz editing question regarding release groups.

then you came to the right place!

(even though it's quiet as hell round here lately)

It's my first time here so I do not have much to compare with...

Is this the best place to ask these kind of questions?

telle: if you want a fast answer, yes.

telle: otherwise, you can also try the musicbrainz-users mailinglist, or the forums.

I'll give it a try then :)

I have a recent (2009) release containing two discs: The first one is a re-issue of of the same album from the Seventies. However, the second one contains previously unreleased live material.

Do the two discs belong to the same release group?

yes.

If so, do they also belong to the release group of the original album?

yes

sweet

i thought so, but i wasn't sure

thank you very much

you're welcome :)

Good evening. Would anyone happen to be about and willing and able to assist me with regard to using Picard, please?

If, indeed, this is the place to ask such things.

I forget. It's been a while. Sorry.

it is the right place

and your best bet is to ask whatever questions you've got and if people know the answer they'll say

Righto. I have two issues currently...

(aka "don't ask to ask")

Noted. Thanks :)

Firstly, my dad's been trying to tag some MPCs and Picard is saying that a lot of them aren't valid MPC files. They play and re-tag fine in foobar. MP3Tag can open them and read the tags. Removing said tags completely doesn't help. This is in the latest Picard.

the properties tab in the properties dialogue for each file may show what they actually are

I opened one of them in Wordpad, for lack of a hex editor, and it had MPC written right at the top.

(in foobar)

MP3Tag reports they have APEv2 tags, BTW.

i guess you opened one which was claimed to be not an mpc, right?

Yep.

I believe the album I opened one from was actually something I ripped as FLAC and then converted to MPC, so I'm pretty sure it should well be an MPC.

Unless someone's replaced my mppenc with lame, or something...

I'm also pretty sure he's tagged said files with Picard previously. This is a brand new error we're experiencing :(

i think you should provide a sample

Where would I put it?

you know that there are plenty of one click hosters, right?

Sure.

just use one ^^

I'll grab a file. BRB...

:)

Strygalldwir: do you know which version of musepack that is? picard currently does not support musepack sv8

I don't know. I'll check. The commandline encoder should report it?

not sure, i don't have much experience with mpc myself

see http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/4975

MPC Encoder 1.16 --Stable--, apparently.

ok., that should still be sv7 and work with picard

I just copied one such MPC over to my computer and opened it in Wordpad, and it has the MPC header at the top and MusicBrainz database tags at the bottom.

So it has been tagged previously by Picard.

Strygalldwir: that's a musepack v8 file, no chance to tag this with picard at the moment :(

maybe they were converted from old v7 files?

Oh. Hmm. I don't know how. I converted a file from FLAC to MPC just today to test with Picard and it worked fine.

it's offtopic, but why do you actually convert the files?

(i would keep the flacs)

It does only appear to be the files I converted for my dad, too, not the ones he ripped on his computer.

My dad doesn't have enough HD space to store lossless files, really.

:(

So I keep the FLACs on here and convert to MPC for him to listen to on his computer or stream to his Xbox 360 via TVersity.

I suppose, really, I should stream the FLACs to his computer from here, but I never thought of that.

I can't figure out where along the line they'd get converted to the latest v8 type...

Especially since he's tagged these files with Picard before, and I haven't recompressed them.

perhaps the app encodes it as v8 if certain conditions are true?

like a certain charset is used or something else which lets it decide to use v8 instead of v7

Could be.

that would at least explain some "randomness"

strange, yes

I broke my hand. :(

I punched the back of someone's head.

What's the difference between v7 and v8? Just the tagging, or the actual music data?

wow

how cool is that?

I got an x-ray scan today and turns out it's broken. :(

herojoker: Did I miss something?

I wish you'd stop changing hostmasks so I could ignore you once and for all

why are you punching someone's head?

herojoker: He pissed me off.

I've never broken a bone before.

Strygalldwir: not sure, but they change the whole internal structure of the files

nikki: Who are you trying to ignore?

I really have no clue what's going on there, then. Very weird.

well, then setup a deterministic testing environment :p

(and do tests)

herojoker: Will my broken bone win me the affection of a girl I REALLY like at school?

definitely, yes

Yay!!!!!!

I've liked her for about a year now.

do you additionally have a head like an ape?

But she keeps saying "no" to me.

herojoker: Ummm I don't think so.

they like it, it makes them think you are potent, powerful

Strygalldwir: just to be sure i tried decoding that file with both sv7 and sv8 tools from http://www.musepack.net/index.php?pg=lin

i can't decode it with the sv7 tools

I don't appear to have the sv8 encoder on either of the Windows installs I have here.

i have no clue then. i just know that tool support for sv8 is not very good at the moment, so you will have problems not only with picard

I just tried converting a FLAC file to MPC then loading it into Picard, and it worked.

So I wrote tags to it, and then loaded it again, and it still loads it.

if you look at the files with a hex editor or something and the first bytes are "MPCK" in ASCII it is sv8, otherwise it should be MP+

ok, i need some sleep. i hope you will figure out what went wrong

Dang. Sorry, was just checking my dad's computer for mppenc. He doesn't even have it.

I just checked the older computer that I rip CDs with and that doesn't have a later version than this one, either.

Looks like I might have to re-rip some albums. Not too much of a problem; I just wish I knew how they managed to be sv8.