#musicbrainz

i have it

haven't played it in a while

me neither. I'm currently on a John Cale - Hobo Sapiens trip

i have that too

loves Seal

eek

he's a hottie :)

although it took me a while to go crazy

why is that à capitalised?

Sparkle was what originally got my attention

and because of that his first album stayed in my tape deck and CD player probably for a year straight

i never got tired of listening to violet or whirlpool

which reminds me that I need to go check out keziah jones

wolfsong: hee, i got to listen to his original acoustic demo. i think the stuff Trevor Horn is over produced. seal is best in an acoustic setting.

nikki_: not sure

probably because the script didn't catch it

that album is in 3 languages

Spanish, French and English

yllona: There should be some kind of acoustic gig recorded in a church out there. should be very good

wolf: trevor horn tried to give seal an old skool production with full orchestration. he doesn't have the "pipes" (style) for that... he's a brit after all :)

they have the oddest relationship

here's an example of old skool R & B

he switches producers after every album and then goes back to Trev

this is perfection.... seal could never achieve this. he doesn't have the gospel roots

this is donny solo voice & piano, in alive setting. seal and donny sing n the same key & timbre, altho donny has far more range and nuance

yllona: so an artist needs gospel roots to sing old skool r & b?

i love old r & b, by the way

nechto13: : it certainly helps.

yllona: what's a good starter for him?

i have all 3 of Layla's

donny hathaway? any of the "live" albums

k

what about, dusty springfield, i don't think she had any gospel roots or does she not qualify?

those are best, he was a wonderful, incredible performer

although many brits "get" r&b the gospel doesn't really exist in their voices

Lisa Stansfield is a good example

dusty is cool, she had the best producers in the business, plus her classic albums were wee recorded at muscle shoals, which did double duty as a gospel recording studio

i.e. the staff musicians were seasoned gospel/blues artists

and generally the only white americans who get that grew up in the south or philly or detroit

or someplace similar

yep

nikki_: that Lhasa track is right on MB

i'm playing FLAC files right now :-(

what's wrong with flacs?

Could one of the style gurus help me out with an album name?

can't tag them

cues?

i'm using flac+cue

im sure one of us can, lauri

nechto13: muscle shoals is part of the fame msuic group and has gone back to its gospel roots: http://www.fame2.com/

and too lazy to do it by hand

SenRepus: https://www.texasroadhouse.com/images/charity/t...

night

its a willie cover album?

note, the "Willie Nelson" bit of the cover could in fact be interpreted as part of the album name

well, yes, and no

wolfsong: it looks horrible to me

nechto13: without them argueably Aretha would not have become the Queen of Soul

nikki_: sorry

he got a bunch of friends together, they did a concert, all singing his songs

so it's a cover charity "lots of people singing willie songs" thing (which, if I include the Austin -> Asia bit, gives it like three levels of title)

it reads as "I arrive In the Town" in english, I think.

all of Aretha's early albums were pretty much ignored

do you know what it says onthe sidespine?

wolf: not in the black community :)

heh, no, because I actually have the DVD not the CD

yllona: true

she wasn't a success until Atlantic sent her to record with them

which says "Willie Nelson Songs for Tsunami Relief Austin to South Asia"

which is why although my instinct is to call it "Songs for....: Austin to...", I wonder if I shouldn't in fact add the Willie bit

their arrangements unleashed her gospel roots but remained commercially accessible

wolf: yes, if you mean "success" as cross over to the mainstream audience (white audience)

yes i do

ah, okay

I hunted it down on a few cd stores, where it's listed starting with Songs... but credits to Willie Nelson (well, he sings on a few of the songs himself)

lauri: Another opinion: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sq...

overall sales and acceptance on white radio

wolf: yes, that's very true, but you've got to understand that until the mid-'60s we had "race music", ie music that was never marketed outside the black community

yes i'm old enough 2 understand

;-)

lauri, i guess i agree with your instinct

wolf: there are still black artists that never cross'd over that still sell millions of records

well yes

do the add album and include notes about the title, that way you can get more opinions

frankie beverly & maze would be a perfect example

oh geeze, do I remember my amg password

heh

but i would say acceptance on white radio was a bigger achievement

she was one of the first to do it without sounding white

the tendancy during the early 60s being to have a homogenized sound for radio

well, they call it that too, so I guess that's what it is going to be

wolf: and i would strongly disagree, because to cross over, many many compromises are required (thus the trend for plastic surgery and drastic weight loss)

now or then?

wolf now and then. the first to cross over without sounding white was sam cooke ) and even the isley brothers (and they're still topping the R & B charts)

the isley brothers have been dropping hits since teh '50s

and the o'jays too

and Sam was one of her idols

i seem to recall that was one of the reasons she changed her sound

yeah, sam is everyones idol. for an number of reasons. he was the first black "pop" to secure all his licensing

the recently late, great lou rawls & sam cooke were childhood friends and sang together for years

yeah

would Kansas be considered south? i always though of it as more of midwestern state.

do you know brook benton? he crossed over in the '50s and retained a true R & B sound as well

err, wolf do you you know brook benton?

kansas is the mid west technically..

nechto13: midwest

wolfsong, that /me line makes it sound like you are a girl who got dumped

yllona: yes

LOL

yeah i guess you're right SenRepus

nechto: there were some issues with kansas and slavery : http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h83.html

then Kelley Hunt would be an exception from the rule that old r&b sounding white musicians come from south, philly oor detroit

i like a "Nelly"... never heard Nellie McKay though

*or

wolfsong: here you go http://www.kelleyhunt.com

nikki_: thanks for the Lhasa merge

beat me to it :D

nechto13: that's more C & W than old skool R & B

hehe

yllona: agreed

that's more c&w blues

yeah you're right. sorry about that

something that r&b and c&w share

or borrow from might be a better expression

speaking of Kansas...

nechto13, wolfsong this is a perfect example: Ray Charles "modern sounds in country and western music" http://tinyurl.com/c3qoz

and let's not forget al green

totally

wait, al green has c&w albums?

no way

i actually don't like country, but i love old r&b, blues, gospel and that type of music. there are exeptions to my dislike of country though like johnny cash, or when it's folk influenced country or other way around