#musicbrainz

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      • keschte
        this is 7 pages of mb goodness
      • ruaok
        just a dumbass misrepresenting flagrant.
      • gecks
        to be honest i caught the end of the whole thing so aren't really sure what the problemwas :)
      • yllona
        ru: in the simplest sense a brochure, describing MB services/policy in plain simple language
      • ruaok
        a paper brochure that people can pick up here in SLO?
      • Shepard
        lol
      • ruaok
        how do you make that online?
      • whats the online equivalent of that?
      • gecks
        at discogs we've got this guy who reckons because he as copyright of teh artist name 'User', he can delete all other artists called 'User' (of which there are 10s)
      • yllona
        keschte: that's a start, but it needs to easily available from the MB start page.
      • keschte
        yllona: read the paper ruaok wrote, a pdf is as traditional as we can do it.
      • yllona
        ru: no, it can be online, PDF is fine
      • ruaok
        I somehow doubt that all the stupidity of labels can be fixed in one PDF when a bunch of web pages won't do that job.
      • keschte
        yllona: and btw, i think the few paragraphs on the mb homepage are a good intro to what mb is about
      • yllona
        MB needs an artist/label page, where all the info is linked in. if it already exists, point me to it.
      • ruaok
        yllona: didn't you as some point try to start writing this intro?
      • keschte
        and if someone does not grok that, he won't if we throw 100reds of pages at them
      • yllona
        ru: i can do it. i just got a lot of negative feedback
      • ruaok
        since you have a better grasph on what constitutes acceptable language, I'd love it if you could work on it.
      • yllona
        along the lines of "labels suck.e tc". see above
      • ruaok
        well, that intro is not just for the labels.
      • remove the word labels from when you ask for feedback. simple.
      • mudcrow
        major labels do suck
      • ruaok hopes microlabels will put the majors out of business
      • yllona
        ru: i agree, it's just taht i work with labels, and let me tell you these people are not stupid, and don't ever forget it.
      • keschte
        isn't it as simple as that: we judge them from what we see from an endusers perspective (which we are)
      • ruaok
        ok, so your labels are the exception that proves the rule.
      • gecks
        major labels are just succesful labels, of course :)
      • ruaok
        glad to hear that there are some labels that don't suck.
      • yllona
        there's a big difference between the media pundits, and teh people doing the work, and that includes artists
      • nikki_
        I saw a label guy adding stuff for a band they have
      • yllona
        ru: many small (not indies) have conscientious employees and execs, trying to navigate the quagmire jsut like MB.
      • however, the reamining choke point still seems to be distribution (as it's aleays been)
      • *always been, back to the days of sheet msuic publishing in the 18th century
      • so all i'm saying, is make MB easy to understand for a traditional industry, with long standing practices, i'm not saying that their modus operandi is efficient. but neither is MB (yet). :)
      • you have to help them understand why MB is important (and useful).
      • ruaok
        yllona: not arguing with you on any of those points.
      • but, first I want to see wikidocs come to fruition.
      • once it does we can see how to fix and improve it.
      • inhouseuk
        MB can actually be good (free) advertising for the smaller labels with limited distribution. They can add their artists and provide links to where people can purchase the music
      • yllona
        okay point me to the latest, and i'll take stab at a simple "what is MB?" doc, as a PDF
      • nikki_
        YAY! HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!
      • yllona
        gawd knows i've done it enough times over the phone.... ;)
      • inhouseuk
        happy birthday nikki
      • yllona
        happy b'day nikki
      • mudcrow
        happy birthday Nikki :)
      • Shepard already said and goes to bed :P
      • Shepard
        night
      • nikki_ dances
      • mudcrow
        night shep
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      • nikki_ tries to work out how to get into her present from shep
      • nikki_
        he's parcel taped all the gaps
      • ruaok
        happy birthday, madam nikki_ !
      • did he send hanutas?
      • nikki_
        madam? :o
      • I don't know
      • I haven't got into it yet
      • yllona
        inhouseuk: yes to your point about distribution. but that's not easily grok'd from the available documentation
      • ruaok
        yllona: point you to the latest? I'd try http://musicbrainz.org :-)
      • Kerensky97
        Happy birthday nikki. Shouldn't you go to bed now? ;)
      • Muz
        Happy day nikki
      • nikki_
        Kerensky97: oh no!
      • yllona
        ru: does that include that include teh latest on SRG5 or the schema?
      • Kerensky97
        That's right, college students don't have the luxury to differentiate between night and day.
      • nikki_
        I'm in!
      • Muz
        Kerensky97, I think that's computer users in general
      • Kerensky97
        :D
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      • yllona will be back in 15
      • ruaok laughs at the vista screen shots
      • ruaok
        same stupid interface made over to look more like a mac.
      • Muz
        It's not even that
      • It's worse
      • And WMP11 is all the crapness of WMP10 wrapped up in a crappy "mac like" bui
      • *gui
      • ruaok
        with any luck M$ will unravel with vista.
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      • nikki_
        AWWWwwwww
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      • Joan_W
        Happy Birthday Nikki
      • nikki_
        hi joan!!
      • Joan_W
        hi nikki
      • nikki_
        happy automodding if you decide to!
      • inhouseuk
        congratulations Joan
      • keschte
        nite...
      • Joan_W
        thank you inhouse and nikki
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      • nikki_
        awwwwwwww! shep sent me a really sweet present!
      • Joan_W
        what did he send?
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      • nikki_
        a cute little squirrel! (among other things)
      • Joan_W
        a fluffy one?
      • nikki_
        yeah!
      • with an acorn!
      • Joan_W
        great
      • at least it won't get hungry!
      • nikki_
        my mouth hurts from grinning
      • Joan_W
        hey - it never hurts to be happy
      • nikki_
        this time it does ;)
      • mudcrow
        congratulations Joan
      • Joan_W
        thank you very much mudcrow
      • I have just entered my first mod but have turned automod privileges off as I said I would - anyway it's a promo single, so I thought it should be voted on
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      • everybody is quitting - is it me?
      • inhouseuk
        joan, did you see the result of the election? 33 yes, 6 no
      • nikki_
        you had 33 people voting yes, you should have more confidence in your editing!
      • and 2 abstains
      • er
      • 3
      • Joan_W
        yes - I did, but deliberately did not stay by the computer until a little later
      • mudcrow
        thats the most yes votes I've seen
      • Joan_W
        I probably will over time nikki, but the kerfuffle on mb automods mailing list has slightly knocked the confidence out of me
      • nikki_
        that's the most votes I've ever seen, mudcrow
      • Joan_W
        mudcrow - I seriously think that might have been a backlash against the campaign waged
      • but, don't look a gift horse in the mouth - I have benefitted by it
      • Anyway, the real reason I came on here tonight was to say thank you very much to all my friends on MB who voted for me. I really do appreciate it
      • nikki_
        you're welcome!
      • Muz didn't vote for you!
      • Muz isn't an automod ;)
      • Joan_W
        you're still my friend I hope muz
      • Muz
        But of course :)
      • Joan_W
        that's all that matters then
      • Muz
        I feel insulted that you should question that!
      • Muz is joking
      • (about that lattermost line)
      • Joan_W
        I knew that
      • Muz
        :)
      • Kerensky97
        I'm out of here, have a good evening everybody.
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      • Joan_W
        I did it again!
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      • night all
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