#musicbrainz

:)

arrg,

:o

wtf

he's an automod?

why did an automod vote no on my mod witouth explanation

I've noticed that automod do strange things in the past

and this mod is also correct, you should never add 'is the child of' on compound colab artistsd

agreed, it should be to the individuals

yeah, weird

seems pretty obvious

maybe a misclick?

hmm

hmmm http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=3623856

it was grendel that added that ar

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MartinRudat: not totally accurately. Some artists that contain & or and arn't collaborations

good afternoon

G'day Prodoc.

you can get some, at least, by searching for ' and ' with the old search

direct search

hi Prodoc

probably best to just dwnload the db

It looks like he made the "artist" specifically to do the link

s/he

Nyght is now known as Nyghtmare

feeling bored?

ojnkpjg: as an alternative to adding classical releases... =)

MartinRudat: I can setup a report of artists with & or and in the name if you want

ugh no

some & and and artists are bogus

some are not

mom went home

nei

came home

so now I'm off for some tempura sushi and misosoup

mo: have fun.

ja!

hungry in german?

ja

select count(*) from artist where (position(' and ' in name) >0) or (position(' & ' in name) >0);

22606

wow, that would take quite some time to work through...

plus there are likely to be some where 'and' is not all lower case

got an issue again :D

Nyghtmare is now known as Nyght

have a look at http://musicbrainz.org/album/37b3ce23-4b9e-40fc... and http://musicbrainz.org/album/3cbdd8ed-ab3e-473c...

They are identical despite what the artists in the album title might suggest. The second album shouldn't be a 16 track disc but 12 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002RMU). It was imported from freedb as a 12 track disc (http://www.freedb.org/freedb_search_fmt.php?cat...) but additional tracks where added later. This is also the reason why the last 4 tracks don't have...

...track times and the others do.

should a merge the two and re-add the second album or should I remove tracks?

mo: hungrig

...remove tracks then merge? *shrugs*

removing the tracks would be the easiest but merging the cleanest solution imo

just asking for a second opinion incase I'm overlooking something

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002DE2L is the first album

MartinRudat: it appears they imported the disc and then added the tracks to it afterwards because they couldn't find the correct entry on freedb

heh, imo we should remove the freedb import functionality completely

we can't trust it at all and it overall produces more work than reducing it.

a lot of people don't bother correcting the tracks to the right style so by forcing them to input it manually I think we can reduce the extra work a lot

Prodoc: but I'm lazy! though I do admit that checking can sometimes be slower than typing it in in the first place, but...

Prodoc: I'd say merge them, but explain why/what you are doing in the modnote

ok

*has to go* nice day :)

bye

bye

done: http://musicbrainz.org/showmod.html?modid=4825623

I also think the audio finger printing promotes people who have illegal copies to use the service. If they have a legitimate copy of something, they already know what it is and therefore don't need to identify it using fingerprinting

I thought about that as well, if it's just for illegal copies we should add ed2k links as well ;)

actually most of the music files I have that are badly tagged or have no tags come from music legally downloaded from an artists webpage

but if it was legal, you would have know what it is, wouldn't you?

mud, yes, but you do know what the tracks/artist are. You can just select the tracks manually to tag them correctly

yes/no. depends when i listen to it, I usually go grabbing music for listening to at a later date, then find it has no tags

ah :) a 'not enough free time' problem

inhouseuk: I sorta disagree with your comment about audio fingerprinting. I legitimately own many different copies of the same music. I would like to know how accurate the greatest hits are compared and of course, the multitude of demo's I've gotten from the band's sites themselves.

Nyght: yes, but you are using it for a different purpose to most users

that's true. ;)

Like, for instance, it was really cool to see which demo's went on the cd that came out after the production copy.. and honestly, musicbrainz helped me see that more than just musicIP software does.

That was always my "complaint" about the audio fingerprinting they did, they could give mood matching, and tell you very similar tracks, but at the same time, you couldn't get into the finite part of it to see what it was saying. Now, I almost feel like I can at least predict it a bit.

Martin, it would probably be breaking some pretty hefty copyright laws

MartinRudat: this goes for the Decca/Philips online catalogue as well ;)

Nyght: hmm... TOS, I could see... but it's legal to read facts off a discography/the liner notes, but not from the track-listing on the label's website?

It's touchy... to literally "scrape" their works and apply it here would be probably in a very grey area.

Nyght: But will it ever be noticed? We'll have to correct the styles a bit anyway

and, it's not truly worth that, at least, I wouldn't feel it would be if MB was "my baby".

the bandwidth from the area doing the reading would probably be noted. The IP address.

yes, it would be noticed in one very particular way.

The way it would be noticed is our records would be glaringly complete in that area. :D

that shouldn't be that much of a problem, I'm browsing in the Philips catalogue quite a lot without them complaining. We could set up a bot which randomly picks a few releases every day ;)

hmm... if I remember correctly, facts are not copyrightable, but the presentation of those facts are... which is why lots of things are described in prose when it isn't necessary... because you can copyright the prose, but not the facts it describes...

...not that I condone such an action...but it would be handy ;)

that is also my understanding

Martin, I do believe that was more or less what we had figured out.

this is the second time in 2 days that his/her name pops up, does he have such a bad reputation here?

yllona? No.. she's very cool, at least in my feeling. Then again most people in my opinion here are great to hang and chat with

ok

if I truly had a problem with her, I wouldn't tease while she wasn't present. I would instead speak to her about it directly,.

I very much doubt they'd have the fingerprints for it

what is it?

hmm... is musicIP mixer available for osx? I feel like I've asked this question before for some reason...

last I was on the site Martin, I seem to recall they had an osx something.

Nyght: http://musicbrainz.org/album/700b429b-bf78-4fe5...

Mmmm, you may very well be right inhouseuk! that's not the normal run of the mill ELO

I've been looking for that album for a while, it's quite rare and happened to see a copy on ebay last week

Nyght: amazingly they did have the finger prints. It didn't need to the long analysis on any of the tracks!

Can I have some advice please?

<male>I'll advise on any topic!</make> ...it just might not be any good...

err... tr/k/l/;

Joan: what's up?

okay martin - I am adding some links to Amazon. I have checked the album on Amazon - track listing corresponds with one in database, it is not an import, cover art is there but when I add the ASIN all I get is grey in the space where the cover should be. It does, however, link to Amazon in the buy and info sections.

hi joan!

hi nikki

hi joan, link to amazon please?

Joan: perhaps it's a good scan from a third party? amazon might not actually be selling any copies... and thus doesn't have its own cover art...

but at least if it links in with the buy and info buttons, then we are getting revenue from Amazon?

yeah it's a customer image