#musicbrainz

planned for *me* today

inhouseuk: ok have fun in any case :)

LOL

ok sounds like the fun part is to be taken with a grain of salt

haha

Hm

BMPx looks pretty cool

we're trying :D

Alot of things need updating.

i'm totally hooked up on getting complete musicbrainz support in before the next release

I'll have to check it out if I ever get Linux running on this piece of junk

haha

old box that doesn't want to run linux?

I ran Linux as my primary OS for several years, but now my only computer is a laptop on which it just doesn't work very well

Well, not really old

custom notebook linux has problems running on?

That's more like it

ahh yeah

yeap i know that situation

Style guides for different things were whipped up half-assed.

It works great for the most part, except 1) Broadcom wireless that doesn't work and 2) the binary nvidia drivers seem to not work

Landus, yeah, they need a bit of polish in some places

hmm yeah wifi

i ended up buying an additional PCMCIA card for wifi

which was only 802.11b

BUT

Theoretically it works with ndiswrapper, but I never got that working

at least it worked and worked natively

dholmes: yeah...

Broadcom wireless anything needs to be thrown from a three story building.

i settled for 802.11b but at least for a supported card

Landus: i tend to agree

Yeah, I have a PCMCIA wireless card that works too, but I only have one PCMCIA slot that I need for something else I use every day at work

So that would kinda be a drag

I personally had to buy a Atheros mini-PCI card because Linux has no support for the card I had.

yeah i once managed to damage my pcmcia port with the card

Even with ndiswraper.

but i was also able to fix it o_O

ndiswrapper, rather.

the pins were bent

Take a mechanical pencil.

You can fix most bent pins with that.

I'm gonna give ndiswrapper another shot next time I try running Linux

it took some really detail work to get those pins straight again

i had only 1 pcmcia slot in it as well

so i basically fubared it by bending the pins

that notebook was also pretty cool because it had a touchscreen display

so i didn't want to loose it by any chance

a rather old Panasonic CF-37

with i thik a 700MHz P3 and 256MB RAM

good enough for coding

i think*

My laptop is a worn out Gateway.

I see the BMPx library supports ratings... I've spent the past month or so rating every song on my laptop in iTunes. Think it would be easy enough to import those ratings into BMPx from the XML iTunes outputs?

the touchscreen display was cool for web browsing

and ever since i got hooked up to coding UIs that have no "hidden" ui elements

like right click menus

since i used it a lot of time only trough the touchscreen

and it was not possible to open a rightclick menu with it

so since then in all apps i wrote i tried to make all elements be right on the GUI directly if only possible

i just kinda so happend

dholmes: yeah

Any feature should be accessable without context menus; that's in pretty much every human interface guideline

deadchip: i have looked into it but i haven't written an iTunes importer yet

Which is not to say context menus shouldn't exist, but at least shouldn't be necessary

yeah...

well i worked for a usability consulting company for a few years

where i learned all that stuff heh

Well, maybe I'll take a crack at it if I ever get Linux working

That's cool

dholmes: i'm not sure if can code the iTunes (and other app's databases) importers for the next release

i think rather not

for the next one, 0.30, the primary focus is on complete musicbrainz support

but good you reminded me

i almost forgot about the importers

they were suggested on the roadmap somewhen back and i just forgot about them

Does BMPx have any sort of RPC access? Like iTunes you can do stuff via DCOM or whatever, or Rhythmbox used to let you do stuff with Bonobo and Amarok DCOP

there exists also really no bug or sth on it for it on our bugtracker so i just forgot

dholmes: yeah over DBUS

Sweet

The iTunes XML format is pretty simple, so I bet it wouldn't take long at all to just cook up a script to do it

it was written with DBUS in mind from the start, the DBUS interface is very well integrated

Cool

dholmes: heh yeah well i'd need a copy of someone's database XML format

or maybe i can find the format documented on the web

database XML*

I stopped using Linux just around when DBUS was first taking off

yeah the problem was that dbus 0.23.x really REALLY sucked

but i placed my bet on it

and still started to code with it

When I was going into 10th grade, someone mentioned Gentoo.

I got it working, used it for a year.

and now it turns out to be really good and really useful and more and more people are using it

Got bored, so I switched back to Windows.

I ran Gentoo for about half a year. I kinda liked it, but now I tend to prefer Ubuntu

same with musicbrainz really

most players don't really make full use of it

It's easy enough without spending any extra money to keep it clean.

e.g. amarok and banshee treat it as a better freedb

Yeah, I still follow the Planet GNOME and Planet KDE blogs sometimes, and I was reading about how KDE has completely switched to DBUS

and they implement workarounds all the time

like if they don't know by metadata if something is VA, they check if the artist names are the same for all the tracks from this album

that's stuff BMP just doesn't do

you could say it's coded for a prefect-world scenario but it turns out to work rather well

dholmes: yeah they just made a KDE 4 alpha/pre release using DBUS

dholmes: Ellen, an ex-co-worker of mine at the usability engineering company i worked for, is writing the new KDE 4 HIG

Cool

I always preferred GNOME, since way back when KDE seemed a little lacking in that category

KDE seems to have gained a lot of momentum over the past year though

well

i must say i like neither so much

AAMOF i used windowmaker for the most time

but it just currently lacks in some freedesktop standards compliane

compliance*

not that i really need this personally, but i need it for BMP

to code BMP to work against/with those standards

so i need a DE that supports them; right now i use XFCE 4.4 beta

GNOME seems to me somewhat, off the scale

they can't get their stuff together

and the gnome multimedia people are TOTALLY off

i tried to initiate discussions

like

a common storage for all players for album cover art

or stuff like that

nothing

it ends in nothing

That's a pity

there usually follow 20 or 30 posts on the mailing list

and then someone makes a stupid "final statement"

and no one feels like carrying the discussion further

yeah it really is because right now like 5 or 10 players have their own storage of album cover art

it's just a waste of diskspace, if nothing else

Yeah, in GNOME decisions are generally best when made autocratically

Which is kinda weird, but discussions don't seem very effective

I actually have four lines of code in Rhythmbox, a trivial bug from years ago

I was all excited about it back then

heh

really

the rhythmbox developers

well i have really opinions about gnome deevelopers that are not lightly expressed in public

Haha

:")

That's too bad

I always sort of liked that community

That was back when Colin Walters was RB maintainer; I have no idea what they're up to now