#musicbrainz

mo: you're right.

TRM has no connection discid

mo: i'm certainly confused on the issue

how can I clarify? I'm not sure what you're confused on.\

I am confused by peoples confusion.. it seems straightforward to me :/

erh, sorry?

where do TRMs come from? thus far i've only imported albums from FreeDB. it is TRM necessary?

yllona: a TRM is an audio fingerprint generated by black magic by the relatable software from the data that clients send to the TRM server.

TRMs are only for tagging

have nothing to do with adding albums to the DB

TRMs are acoustic fingerprints that relate to TRACKS.

so it's not necessry?okay.

if you tag a song manually you can submit the TRM so it's associated with the track

Disc ids are calculated from CD-ROMs and assoicated with ALBUMS.

so other people can look up the same track off just the TRM instead of having to do it manually

DJKC: how do i manually submit the TRM?

TRMs are not used at any point when adding albums to the database no matter whether it's from a freedb import or a manual add

yllona: I have no experience with the mac tagger, so I can't answer that

h�lledussen da, s� dumt :/

with the windows one there's just a button to submit them after you've manually matched up a song to it's entry on MB

ok. call me stoopid, but is there anything that describes the complete relationship? TRM.+album ID, etc

trms have nothing to do with albums

at all

documentation, i mean

DJKC: i definitely need some schooling here

so you don't need aTRM?

what lovely broken thing is "S|ddeutsche Philharmonie" on this page http://www.freedb.org/freedb_search_fmt.php?cat... really supposed to be, you think?

Is there some way to add an entire album via iTunes? i'm really conscientious about my tagging...

http://musicbrainz.org/wd/WindowsTaggerFAQ some of the general info is cleverly hidden in the Windows Tagger FAQ

yllona: no. albums have to be added via the website only -_-;

DJKC: i wouldn't have looked there thanks

I really want some way to submit via just properly tagged files too

what the clients let you submit are discIDs and TRMs

and tag your files from the MB data

but to actually add albums/artists to the DB you have to do it via the website

it's not liek I have an idea at all :/

mo: waht are your ideas. or am i just clueless?

ideas?

what?

yllona: disc IDs based off the actual TOC on the disc. they're used for adding times to tracks that don't have any

okay... but what if the TOC isn;t recognized.. happens on some early CDs (from the early '80s)

you add the info manually

it will still have the disc id

and tracktimes

yllona: ?

not sure what you mean by TOC not recognized, if it's a valid audio CD it should have a TOC

I think means not in freeDB

discIDs and TOCs have nothing to do with freedb

DJKC: early CD pressing are quite bogus.. i've had to replace several

that's not completley true.. but yes

mo: from a MB perspective they don't. From a freedb enabled program's perspective then yes, obviously the TOC is used in the look up there too

yllona: ah, I dont' have any that old

that's what I meant :9

also, a lot of indie pressing are missing ID3 tagging entirely. this happens msotly on self-published stuff

I suspect you just can't submit them then

?

can some oen answer my question btw.. because I have noidea wher to start

what does that have to do with the TOC

mo: I'd suspect Deutsche Philharmonie but I'm not familiar with orchestras at all, and especially not with german ones

hmm. ok, but its a start. thank you

DJKC: everything is missing.. you get "track 01" track 02 etc.

yeah

if that much...

that doesn't matter

all it needs from a toc are the sectors

the "Full TOC: 1 12 192075 150 4535 21835 43625 61852 79817 101467 109097 117240 135305 154865 170560" there is the info in a discID

it represents it in a more human readable form before

DJKC: that's established at pressing?? (mfg)

but essentially you have first track, last track, number of sectors, starting sector of track one end sector