#musicbrainz

just a few interface changes

ding!

else it would have taken much longer, of course

you mean there was already a artist id spot in the db for each track even though it was a single artist or not?

yes

yes, already there and used

mac and sac, as well as move_album mess with the track artists

this had to be adjusted

and the showartist page

ah... so a little smarter usage of what we had

so when's this going live?

the good thing is, that now the disputed Styleguide change can be put into action again

and do we think MBtagger is going to be made current?

cuz I have to say I support Picard.. but it has some quirks and issues that MBtagger doesn't

or maybe I just now how to workaround them better .. anyhow ;)

also remember it doesn't support trm

I still use MBtagger 95% of the time.. cuz of the issues I found w/Picard and when it takes 5minutes to tag 1 album .. it's a little frustrating..

mb_tagger, almost certainly not

gee..imagine that... ;) ru is becoming like Intel .. force the user to upgrade ;)

it's going live, once we've tested it.

well I protest! Guess all my non mix albums will still be tagged with MBtagger then... and ill figure out what to do with the others..

and announced the change properly to users and customers I hope

Yea... one thing I always thought MB should have is little blurbs... along the way.. to guide people along

it assumes everyone reads the wiki front to back.. and we all know that just doesn't happen

I know the little blurbs then require more maitenance to keep current... but there has to be a spot we could set up as a blurb in each wiki page that could make use of it.. where as updating the wiki would still update the blurb

s/maitenance/maintainence

gee I cant spell today.. thats maintenance :)

you are familiar with the wikidocs concept?

i dont know if that makes sense to anyone...

this would be wikidocs v. II

currently, it supports transclusion of full pages

but i'm afraid, ru and i are the only mb_server coders as it is

and i'm getting the feeling i'm putting to much time into it as of lately

s/to/too

to be honest the current MB documentation is scattered all over the place and needs a serious makeover

i personally would like MB to have a sitemap so that it would be easier to find all thelp pages, but i'd never suggest that would take precedence over track and album aliases or disasterrelief

that's for sure.... that's why I know having blurbs would add more insult to injury... but.....

*help pages

the libmusicbrainz documentation is almost useless

docs are always the fault of most 'free' projects.. unfortunately

look at LAME & EAC if it weren't for the huge user base there wouldn't be squat

true, but I've also seen some of the best documentation ever on free projects as well

if you have time to think about stuff, review the graphs here: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ObjectModel, and here: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/NextGenerationSchema

we, the developers certainly don't like writting docs :p

we have enough non-devs who could help

yea.. but it's also hard to get the developers to speak... and then speak english to people who would/could

the mb-devs are very communicative people, i think.

and most can express them very well (me excluded) ;)

themselves

the trouble with non-devs writing the docs, is they need to understand it first

thats what I meant by getting them to speak and then speak english... they need to understand what it is they are writing about

that's a bad excuse, we're hanging out here, and one could always ask

look at the AdvancedRelationShip types in the wiki, matthew_exon and others figured it out themselves

anyway.

the biggest change in the new database schema would be

I'm bad at writing that stuff since I want to know the technical aspects of things which isn't really necessary when trying to write docs for users

a wiki-style editing for field values, where changes are applied automatically but can be reverted easily

we'll need to think about album/artist locking, how that would affect the new editing scheme

moving objects around in the structure would still be mods, like they are handled today (voting, delayed and unreversible apply)

I like locking... it would save a lot of the stupid redundant votes/edits lots of us have to make

i'd definitely contribute to writing documentation especially if someone would provide some sort of direction as to what the result should look like

internationalisation was a big issue, and we need some input if we got it right

for commercial use, locking is essential

i could see that.. cuz they want to know if today the database says this.. that if its correct tomorrow it will say the same

yup, without an accidental edit getting through that corrupts it

and not something obscure cuz there are 40 abstains and it finally became accepted

most of the RFE's were developed with the current schema and workflows in mind

i just ask of you to review the new schema, and think how it would fit there

I'll have a look at it later when I have a few hours

good

it appears short enough to be all printable.. I do better with that stuff in print..

i had to use Din-A2 format to fit all the tables into the ERM

and it's only the new ones ;)

well... the main scope anyhow

you'll be the person who knows if labels/catno/ean/upc etc. are in the right place

:)

so was any/part of this written (code wise) or since just discussed not yet?

uh oh.. hide ;)

moing everyone!

Hola

that's the german mexican version of moin

i guess everyone took my advice ... and did Hide ;)=

smart folks

and the leave me here to fend for myself, what a support team

s/the/they

so are you home sweat home now?? I didnt recall seeing anything beyond Sunday on the summit page

geez s/sweat/sweet... i really need that irc client with a dictionary

yes and no.

I'm in my sweet home of Hamburg.

but I'm not back in cali. not until dec 13

that's strange

oh... so is it all play till then? or going to meet up with some others that werent able to make it to the summit?

it never was all play.... I am working on pimpmytunes right now.

that was a enermax psu too...

then on thursday its on to london.

where I will cook dinner for inhouseuk and a bunch of others

and have a board meeting.

and meet with last fm.

and write pimpmytunes

when is the board meeting?

friday

ah... you get the meet that inhouse uk guy... he seems to be a pretty cool guy

is this a first?

ruaok has already met me earlier in the year

what a first?

u 2 meeting...

nope.

this is the 4th reasonable large meeting of brainerz in the UK

though this will be my first attempt to get people seriously schnockered

wow... who else is typical for a UK meet?

rj, russ, nikki, rjmunro, john carter

Russ is aka last fm, correct?

inhouseuk of course, djce, soccos

soccos?... that one doesnt ring any bells.. must be a behind the scene'r

paul sharpe. fairly large cash donor.

and all around great guy.

soccos is aka Paul Sharpe?

ah..so correct a behind the scene'r but a verrrry important one ;)-

more periphery than behind the scenes

so we haven't reached video teleconferencing status yet huh?

we could...

but, things are so very informal that its not interesting to watch

bringing all the guys from the Hamburg summit to the ones unavailable in the UK

i gather... i just thought maybe when you guys did start cranking on real ideas... having live input from the others might help...or if not the hang up button always works ;)

we had a PERFECT balance.

inhouseuk: ok.. now i can't find a Enermax psu with a -5v rail ;)

any more and we would've gotten less done. any less and we would've represented fewer viewpoints

that's good.. G' popper in earlier and sounded like things went well.. and some real progress was and is to be made

s/popper/popped

that or you had him so schnockered he doesn't recall

nope. none of us got schnockered enough to even record the drinking song.

perhaps I can try that in london :=)

inhouseuk: gosh site speed is pathetic...makes MBrainz look like a Ferrari ;) ... wow.. had to go back to ATX 1.3 to find a -5v rating

drinking song?? did you do the Ziggy chant?

we wanted to record some drinking song.

so we could AR ourselves. :-)