#musicbrainz

I run the detection twice

But part of the detection

is so I can load multiple tag sets formt he same file.

ID3v1 + ID3v2

Especially good for faulty taggers that don't realize that certain filetypes don't GET ID3v2 tags.

Yeah, that depends on the format here. FLAC and MP3 both support multiple tag types, so the API does too...

is that I can do composite tag-reading for the main fields

TagLib does both. :-)

APE tag missing artist but ID3v2 has it? It'll return the artist in the ID3v2

Yep, same here for ID3v1 and ID3v2 for instance.

I do that, but I layer it to include APE

Well, I meant in mp3s...

some files I just dump, with the knowledge that no other tags should be in it

...since I don't support APE.

right

of course

but the point remains.

Pipian: Yeah, that's encapsulated in the TagLib::File subclass -- i.e. TagLib::MPEG::File knows that it can have ID3v1 and ID3v2 tags and has a composite Tag subclass that returns the preferred values...

mmm

Well

My trick is finding software that needs what I provide

and then selling it ^_-

Well, but here we're doing basically the same thing...

this is the problem

Two different methods of achieving the same goal

so we have little differences in our aims.

And since you're the older and more accepted of the two

I've got a feeling I'm probalby going to be overrun

Well, most of my goals are biased from the perspective of desktop applications -- and at least in the KDE world I'm pretty influential...

You've been around longer

But well, there's a lot of C software out there that probably wouldn't mind a more "native" API...

I've only started coding GPL stuff majorly in the past 12 months

GTK =P

Well, except that the Mono guys like OOP. :-)

Pipian: But yeah -- hmm, let's see. I guess I started with GPL'ed stuff in 1999 or 2000...

<-- is only 17 so *shrug*

And thus why you have the advantage

Well, but I mean -- when you write stuff you learn loads.

Like even if your lib is "overrun" as you say like what you take out of that will be rather useful.

true\

and then there's id3lib

which is proof that OO doesn't always work =P

Well, did you hear my story about it earlier?

I think I heard it in passing

that their OO is terrible and confusing?

Well, that, but I don't think I said that. There was probably cursing.

perhaps

Pipian: But I had an app using it for a while -- and started finding bugs, so I started fixing them. Before I knew it I was maintaining it. After about 6-12 months (it's all fuzzy now) I gave up, announced it "unmaintainable" and started writing TagLib. :-)

heh

But that's part of why I feel like I got most of the interface right in TagLib -- I saw very much what was wrong with id3lib from an application programmers standpoint and tried to address that with TagLib.

Well, and also where I learned that docs are really important. id3lib's docs are terrible. As a result every public class, member, helper function, enum, enum value, etc. in TagLib is documented...

Mm

Indeed

no documetnation for libmetatag

but that's because I'm still working on it

I do some commenting in some of the lesser known specs though

Pipian: You really have to document as you go. You'll forget what stuff does later. :-)

Pipian: (i.e. "start now")

Hehe

Well

That's easy enough to go back and do.

I think I'll dump the CDAudio features though.

Plus it's really boring to try to do all at once. :-)

It's a pretty useless wrapper to be honest

And likely won't happen since you'd rather, well, do stuff with the lib.

and why implement all of that again?

Plus Musicbrainz's features keep moving

orogor is now known as orogor|drunk

hello

hi

hows things?

going well. trying to install a copy of the database locally

"trying" .. :)

struggling to learn many things at once

ahh ..

anything I can help with?

just stumbling along. finally got debian linux running (my only experience has been with redhat)

debian is good .. 'apt-get' is a god-send after using rpm

did a minimal install and keep finding I need additional packages.

yes, apt-get is great

I've moved to Gentoo now for my desktop system though - emerge is probably the equivalent of 'apt-get' except .. better. :)

gentoo can be an exercise in patience though, it compiles nearly everything fresh

sorry, sidetracking

my linux box is a piii/733 so gentoo would be a challenge

you could start with a stage3 install, which has most of the big things precompiled

but i'm ending up recompiling a bunch of stuff anyway (e.g. postgres)

anyway ..

oh? why?

the default package install doesn't have unicode support

Debian's Postgres doesn't have unicode support? That's a little surprising...

which version did you install?

did you install the system at "woody" level or at "sarge" level?

sarge, I think.

(me = linux n00b)

what's the output of 'dpkg -l postgresql' ?

sorry...this is my win32 box. using a kvm to get to the linux system...

ok, no stress

version shows as 7.4.2-4

yep, that's sarge/sid

odd .. whe you say it has no unicode support, what broke exactly?

I'm reading the 'INSTALL' instructions from MB and it says do a "pg_config --configure" and look for --enable-multibyte=UNICODE

I'm just looking at my sarge install of postgres .. if you run 'dpkg-reconfigure postgresql' one of the options is to select the type of encoding, UNICODE is one of those...

i'll do that then

thanks

additionally, unless things have changed in the last few months since I did an install (quite possible) then I was able to use Debian's default package to import the database with no problems

the reconfigure ran into some problems but I'll see what I can do. thanks for the info.

np, hope I didn't make things worse.

not worse. just helped me see i was going down the wrong path.

I'd only try recompiling postgres if something isn't working properly and you can track it back to that.

now my postmaster won't start (unknown reason). oh oh.

anything in the logs?

checking...

no

I'm thinking of re-installing debian from scratch anyway so don't worry about it.

ok

I was going to suggest taking the command that actually starts postgres and running it manually

the startup script dumps the output to /dev/null, which isn't generally helpful

Knio is now known as Knio-gone

hi dave

ruaok: Good morning!

melange: hi

What a nice day it looks like it's going to be.

full of the joys of spring.

Good day for a database rebuild :-)

like what, hayfever? :)

I'm glad to say I'm not a sufferer

So far it's nice and cool; I hate it when it's too hot.

same here .. I can't think properly when it's too hot

Last summer when Europe was exceptionally hot (~35C IIRC) I took to running air hoses from the PC fans, and pointed the ends out of the window

which helped a lot :-)

we get weeks in the 35-40 degree range in summer

ouch

which was playing havoc on the hard drives in my home server, they'd hit about 60 degrees and startt having real problems

I've installed some hard-drive fans, but now it's winter so I'm not sure how effective they'll be

did you see my post about mirror servers?