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hmm. so, what are we supposed to put as the name of events that don't seem to have a name?

just "[Artist], [Artist], [Artist] at [Venue]"?

Well, http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Event#Name

Eventually maybe we'll have a way to build a name on the fly for events without one, but for now :)

kepstin-laptop: i wanted to write a ticket so that the name is auto‐dynamic, (in your language) don’t need to write…

most concerts no name

jesus2099: already added actually :)

(the ticket)

great ! without my name as reporter, it has greater chances to pass ! ;)

wow, I just added an event at a place that's in a town which doesn't even have a wikipedia article

We haven't even had them for a day yet, and there are already 4 open merges: https://musicbrainz.org/search/edits?auto_edit_... :p

http://www.burnstown.ca/ - it has a website, tho!

:p

Assuming it's events, anyway

Luckily, we also have a report! :)

(https://musicbrainz.org/report/DuplicateEvents)

is there some explanation on how the setlist syntax works? with some examples?

https://musicbrainz.org/event/43bf76c4-10ed-45c... has an example of two of the three cases

luks: hi, is the Sources column of AcoustID is incrementing each time we scan ?

reosarevok: wow !

it seems redundant to have @ worj entity type plus [|] syntax… couldn’t it be just @mbid *mbid ?

the link and name would be generated server side…

a preview would be nice too

i mean that the name we have to write here is duplicate bogus with entity’s name and will be out of sync sooner or later

No, it's not, because there's no reason you want the same title

no reason to use the song title ?

No reason the full work title is what you want displayed there

if some very specific cases we don’t want same name, then an optional syntax for this, but not having to write all this in most cases where it is not needed…

Well, add a ticket - I'm not sure I agree with it, but if others do *shrug*

kepstin-laptop: it would - ticket too :p

jesus2099: I'd definitely expect a transliterated name for, say, a Russian composer in an English event, for example

it could use the available english alias ;p

reosarevok: How do you delete an event? Clear it and wait for ModBot purge?

it would use your language anyway instead of whatever language

Using the setlist language that is stored where? But anyway, if an event has a printed setlist (like most classical) I'd definitely follow that setlist in the language it is and with the titles it has

Freso: yup, like most other entities by now :)

reosarevok: i mean your preference language, not whatever’s language

I know, and disagree :p

setlist are almost never officially printed

(except in classical probably)

it’s great to have a way of writing name probably but it is not optional as it should be imo ;)

Ticket then

because in 99,99% my cases i don’t need another name

just chatting here… i’m on ticket strike

 ;p

i will not shrug you more because i will probably just paste some plain text tracklists maximum i would do if i even do anything

there’s so much to do, ihaven’t even yet gone through all (not so manyp) my records…

Yeah - I mostly did that for classical where work links are more relevant and useful to add. For pop concerts I imagine most people would be happy with just a plain text setlist

:)

bye :)

many pop/rock setlists printed for the performers use (and often... taken... by fans after the show) use shorthand or abbreviated titles

do we want to preserve that?

I'd say yes.

I'm not too sure - I'd say we should probably not, because it makes setlists less useful (setlist.fm doesn't AFAICT)

But I'd rather allow storing photos or scans of the original setlists instead

Of course, that'd need the IA :p

reosarevok: When is something a support act vs. main performer?

You could argue that only Henrik Hass is the main performer, but all of the current main performers are "head lined" in PR material.

depends on the font size on the poster?:P

Oh. There's also guest act.

Freso: It's a fairly grey line, heh

But since we can't do any kind of auto-detect by popularity, last.fm style, I guess it's the best we can do right now :/

Sometimes there's no obvious division at all and then I'd probably just go with everyone as main performer

In this case I'd say if it's X's release party, they're main and the others aren't, but :)

Yeah. I just wanted to distinguish between e.g. Mund de Carlo and Swaginas, as MdC had Swaginas as guests during his set.

Hurrah, I added an event!

it took me a lot of thinking to find how to add things though

(I found out you now have to "edit" the artist)

ocharles_ : the plan is for places and performers to get their own, more obvious fields in the event edit form at some point, fwiw :)

(same for members in bands, and stuff like that)

right

bitmap's already been working on that

it was just more starting the process was quite hidden

it wasn't obvious where I was even meant to go to start the flow

Someone needs to write a Facebook event importer userscript now... :p

Freso: and Last.fm

I'm thinking that Last.fm should probably be bot-handled.

a lot of the local bands I follow use facebook events

nice that we have facebook event urls from day 1 :)

Yep.

I tried adding two events this morning, and we were missing the areas for the places where both were held :/

(both were small towns)

So how do you set the 'owned' and 'wishlist' types on collections?

I tried to edit a couple of my collections but I can’t change the type — the dropdown is disabled.

yeah, looks like you can only set it on new collections for some reason

if you undisable the dropdown with web inspector, you get an sql error

so, i guess it's just not ready yet :/

pregap tracks should be tracks 0 right?

yes

No.

(IMO ;-) )

yes

It makes no sense to have all the other tracks with a wrong track number

the track that plays when you pick the number 1 in your cd player should have the number 1

_5moufl: I would give it no track number

and the pregap is what plays if you go to track 1, then seek backwards 1 track

(in some cd players)

kepstin-laptop: I think most of them you have to seek rather than skip.

So track -1, like counting years. Screw 0.

the pregap is index 0 of track 1.

I don't think i actually have any cds with track 1 pregap audio :/

So '1.0' would make some sense, but personally I would just leave it blank.

reosarevok: I think we need some style documentation ;-)

The collection type is a bug

I don't know how pregap is supposed to work yet

Need to look at it later

the editor currently autofills in the number 0 for pregap tracks, for what that's worth.

I would personally expect it wouldn't have a track number at all, but I guess you maybe can have multiple pregap tracks?

You can’t.

(in which case some numbering for their order might make some degree of sense)

At least, they wouldn’t be technically tracks— they’d be similar to the 'hidden track separated by a period of silence'

So multiple songs within the same track

I'm fine with keeping 0 for now if 0 is the "standard" the editor offers, but if there's only ever 1 pregap track I'd probably eventually just disable the track number field

(and make it either always 0 or always empty)

+1 for 'always empty'.

for people tagging audio, the track number 0 is nice because it maintains relative order when renaming files with picard.

Picard doesn’t use the number field at all.

oh, just the position?

huh.

Yeah.

(unless it recently changed, I guess)

or 1?

Dunno. :-)

I was wondering the same, but have no way to test.

find a release with a pregap track, do a ws query

Yeah, pregap is position 0

as far as i know, so called pregap “tracks” are index 0 of track 1 (all track have index 0 -usually -2sec-) index 0 is what plays if you played the previous track, index 1 is what plays when you skip to this track specifically

jesus2099: Yes.

so yes, it should be track 1 or we should show 1#0 or nothing… track 0 is slightly incorrect to said ;)

jesus2099: we were wondering how it was represented in the webservice.

I wish I could remember which CD my parents used to have which had lots of index 0 track intros

https://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release/06c015bb-b... if anyone is curious

the only way to play index0 of a track is to play previous track and let the player play index 0 at the end on the last index of previous track. but for first track, the only way would be to seek backward indeed

So how do you add additional data tracks?

there is a checkbox below tracklist

but when you delete it, it remains so remember to remove it manually (if it was a mistake)

Yes, but how do you add more than one song on the data track?