CatQuest: Open a STYLE ticket. :) (And link me so I can vote for it. ;))
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reosarevok
CatQuest: ooh, not a bad idea! Do add a ticket
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Leo_Verto
while we're at that, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, 6.2, 7.1, 7.2, Athmos/DTS:X too? :P
kepstin
what about arbitrary ambisonics layouts? ;)
reosarevok
Well, we'll want a list of options
Leo_Verto
kepstin, at least DTS:X is totally ambisonical, I think Dolby Atmos is too
reosarevok
Someone who knows more than I do about different sound things can propose a list, because I literally just know mono, stereo, and that there's stuff with numbers and dots
Leo_Verto
reosarevok, the number before the dot is the number of "normal" speakers the number after the number of subwoofers
kepstin
well, the numbers just indicate number of full range channels, and if there's a number after a dot, it's an additional number of low frequency effect channels
Leo_Verto
oh yeah, channels is a better term when you're talking about tracks
CatQuest
there is things with dots? D:
I only know stereo/mono
(ok so I know about surround sound too, but)
Leo_Verto
CatQuest, how many speakers does your desktop system have?
CallerNo6
^ which come to think of it, seems arbitrary (treating subwoofers as special)
Leo_Verto
well, subwoofers are kinda omnidirectional, so I think it makes sense
kepstin
CallerNo6: they're treated specially in the encoding - when played back they need to have a gain boost applied
CatQuest
I'm only adding mono/stereo, so there
Leo_Verto
kepstin, btw do you know of any music that's been released in an ambisonic format?
CatQuest hates excessive bass becasue it hurts
I know it's used for movies but it would probably also work for stuff like orchestral music, assuming you go crazy and record a channel per instrument/instrument group
kepstin
(basically, the LFE channels are just there to increase the dynamic range of low frequencies, so you get a proper "rumble" from explosions and whatnot in action films)
CatQuest
or hurts but it.. well i don't like it i don't know why it's jsut UGH
kepstin
Leo_Verto: I've heard of some experimental stuff, but I don't really follow it
CatQuest
YTR (yet another reason) I don't go to cinemas anymore
CallerNo6
kepstin, do you think that's related to the "5.1" designation? I assumed that was pure marketing.
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Leo_Verto
CatQuest, there's good bass and there's excessive bass, but imho a decent amount of "rumble" is really worth it
kepstin
CallerNo6: 5.1 comes from the Dolby Digital sound encoding designed for theatres which included 5 channels and an additional low frequency effects channel
CatQuest
(other reasons being too expensive, too many people and difficult of hearing because TOO FUCKING LOUD WE§RE GONNA MESS U YOUR EARS WHAT YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY ACTUALLY*SAID* FORGET IT)
Leo_Verto
hmm, is there a true 5.2 audio format or does the receiver just distribute the LFE channel to the two subs?
kepstin
CallerNo6: not all "5.1" sound systems sold actually support a separately addressable LFE channel tho, some just use a crossover to pull bass out of the main channels
Leo_Verto
or do both
kepstin
well, anything with little speakers puts the midrange into the subwoofer :/
Leo_Verto
yeah
CallerNo6
kepstin, right, that's what I'm asking. Did that designation come from the "specialness" of the bass channels (needing a different kind of amplification)?
Or is it unrelated.
?
kepstin
CallerNo6: yes, it's a detail of the dolby digital encoding, the channel needed special handling in the decoder/playback
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CallerNo6
Cool. I learned something. Now I have to decide what I will forget in order to maintain that balance.
kepstin
with newer codecs the LFE channel isn't really treated specially any more (although some still use the ~10dB boost for compatibility reasons), so it just indicates the number of dedicated LFE channels.
Leo_Verto
nothing, just enter the audio rabbit hole!
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CatQuest
TFW the music you listen to has sounds that sound like the IRC ping :/
my laptop I use for working i'm tyoing on right now?
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Leo_Verto
ah, nevermind then
but 2.1 systems (2 speakers with a sub under the table) are pretty common for desktop systems
CatQuest
or the mac mini that has the two pc speackers plugged in (actually right now it's plugga into the laptopn because i'm playing a cd her)
CatQuest would rip out the thing under the table :D
reosarevok
Thanks! (moved it to style)
CatQuest
basically "subwoofer" is a special speaker for bass bass?
reosarevok: sorry for rong place
Leo_Verto
yep
reosarevok
Leo_Verto, kepstin or whoever, feel free to agree on a list of stuff that we should have (I guess the order should be stereo then mono then other stuff) and add it to STYLE-764 :)
CatQuest doesn't understand why anyone would want that. but digress, soem peopel do and are differnt thna me so..
CatQuest
pity it was MBS-9300 too (neat number)
reosarevok loves ridiculous bass that makes the whole building vibrate
kepstin
I've never seen a "2.1" system that actually had a separate LFE channel
Leo_Verto
I couldn't imagine live without a subwoofer, at least my desktop system has the crossover set so high, that I can't hear the bass (this time I mean the instrument) in music with the sub turned off
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so yeah, I couldn't live without a sub :P
reosarevok
One of my favourite concerts ever was a Sunn O))) one where you could actually feel the waves of sound physically hitting you
CatQuest
..
reosarevok
(but at home I have only my laptop speakers, because the last time I tried to buy external speakers the cats ate the cables :( )
kepstin
I use a set of bookshelf speakers that are good down to around ~80Hz on my computer, so it's close enough to full range for most music to sound decent.
CatQuest
reosarevok: wat. srsly?
kepstin
I have a sub but I leave it turned off most of the time :/
reosarevok
Yup. Well, ate. Chewed through, anyway :D
CatQuest
wtf cats eating wires
I've heard of mice and rats doing that but cats?
wtf :D
kepstin
I really dislike when they do a live concert mix where the bass is so loud that you can't actually hear anything else, it drowns out vocals and whatnot :(
CatQuest
kepstin: especially when you're not even *at* the concert but it's some live gig on the park close to where you liveand they do this every summer and all yo uhear is BASSBASS and *whoomp whoom* and SCREAM occasionally
kepstin
given the usual subwoofer positioning on large stage concerts, that's actually at its worst when you're up close to the stage, and the mix gets more even if you move back
CatQuest
¬¬
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kepstin
and then you move too far away and the treble stops carrying and it gets bad again
Leo_Verto
shitty bass is shitty
CatQuest
i mena, don't get me wrong.. i like.. bass for wnhe it's.. uh supposed ot be there
but likeit sounds like a layer of cotton on everything else :/
i hate that
Leo_Verto
that doesn't sound like good bass to me
imho it should underscore the rest of the music
CatQuest
that's how most shit is though in places . people just pour more bass ontopof more bass and shit al lto aquitics and the *tohter* fucking instruments
reosarevok
Oh, speaking of physicality in music, zas and Leftmost, I assume you've listened to The Haxan Cloak before but if not fix that
CatQuest
Leo_Verto: that i totally agree with
Leo_Verto
I guess that's also what the bass (instrument) is mostly used for in most genres
CatQuest
nothing makes a song better than the fat bass of the dude song *whooom*
ughm.. I'm tired and haven't eaten and listenig to konono no1
thinking of Motörhead for some reason
if yo uadd bass and it's not the instrument Ur doing it RONG :V
(some bass beat computer counts as instrument)
(I would know :D)
that was a jke to luagh at dammit. reo atleast achieves groans :/