#musicbrainz

Guys we will be releasing picard 1.4.1 which majorly includes cover art revamped and osx fixes

19:57:10 <samj1912> https://code.oxygene.sk/musicbrainz/picard/buil...

Can someone on osx test this ^

19:57:40 <samj1912> https://code.oxygene.sk/musicbrainz/picard/buil...

For windows people ^

(mono/stereo)

CatQuest: Open a STYLE ticket. :) (And link me so I can vote for it. ;))

CatQuest: ooh, not a bad idea! Do add a ticket

while we're at that, 5.1, 5.2, 6.1, 6.2, 7.1, 7.2, Athmos/DTS:X too? :P

what about arbitrary ambisonics layouts? ;)

Well, we'll want a list of options

kepstin, at least DTS:X is totally ambisonical, I think Dolby Atmos is too

Someone who knows more than I do about different sound things can propose a list, because I literally just know mono, stereo, and that there's stuff with numbers and dots

reosarevok, the number before the dot is the number of "normal" speakers the number after the number of subwoofers

well, the numbers just indicate number of full range channels, and if there's a number after a dot, it's an additional number of low frequency effect channels

oh yeah, channels is a better term when you're talking about tracks

there is things with dots? D:

I only know stereo/mono

(ok so I know about surround sound too, but)

CatQuest, how many speakers does your desktop system have?

^ which come to think of it, seems arbitrary (treating subwoofers as special)

well, subwoofers are kinda omnidirectional, so I think it makes sense

CallerNo6: they're treated specially in the encoding - when played back they need to have a gain boost applied

I'm only adding mono/stereo, so there

kepstin, btw do you know of any music that's been released in an ambisonic format?

I know it's used for movies but it would probably also work for stuff like orchestral music, assuming you go crazy and record a channel per instrument/instrument group

(basically, the LFE channels are just there to increase the dynamic range of low frequencies, so you get a proper "rumble" from explosions and whatnot in action films)

or hurts but it.. well i don't like it i don't know why it's jsut UGH

Leo_Verto: I've heard of some experimental stuff, but I don't really follow it

YTR (yet another reason) I don't go to cinemas anymore

kepstin, do you think that's related to the "5.1" designation? I assumed that was pure marketing.

CatQuest, there's good bass and there's excessive bass, but imho a decent amount of "rumble" is really worth it

CallerNo6: 5.1 comes from the Dolby Digital sound encoding designed for theatres which included 5 channels and an additional low frequency effects channel

(other reasons being too expensive, too many people and difficult of hearing because TOO FUCKING LOUD WE§RE GONNA MESS U YOUR EARS WHAT YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY ACTUALLY*SAID* FORGET IT)

hmm, is there a true 5.2 audio format or does the receiver just distribute the LFE channel to the two subs?

CallerNo6: not all "5.1" sound systems sold actually support a separately addressable LFE channel tho, some just use a crossover to pull bass out of the main channels

or do both

well, anything with little speakers puts the midrange into the subwoofer :/

yeah

kepstin, right, that's what I'm asking. Did that designation come from the "specialness" of the bass channels (needing a different kind of amplification)?

Or is it unrelated.

?

CallerNo6: yes, it's a detail of the dolby digital encoding, the channel needed special handling in the decoder/playback

Cool. I learned something. Now I have to decide what I will forget in order to maintain that balance.

with newer codecs the LFE channel isn't really treated specially any more (although some still use the ~10dB boost for compatibility reasons), so it just indicates the number of dedicated LFE channels.

nothing, just enter the audio rabbit hole!

TFW the music you listen to has sounds that sound like the IRC ping :/

reosarevok, Freso etc: https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9300

MBS-9300: Dynamic attributes: Mono/Stereo ?

Leo_Verto: what do you mean "desktop system"?

my laptop I use for working i'm tyoing on right now?

ah, nevermind then

but 2.1 systems (2 speakers with a sub under the table) are pretty common for desktop systems

or the mac mini that has the two pc speackers plugged in (actually right now it's plugga into the laptopn because i'm playing a cd her)

Thanks! (moved it to style)

basically "subwoofer" is a special speaker for bass bass?

reosarevok: sorry for rong place

yep

Leo_Verto, kepstin or whoever, feel free to agree on a list of stuff that we should have (I guess the order should be stereo then mono then other stuff) and add it to STYLE-764 :)

STYLE-764: Dynamic attributes: Mono/Stereo ? https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/STYLE-764

pity it was MBS-9300 too (neat number)

I've never seen a "2.1" system that actually had a separate LFE channel

I couldn't imagine live without a subwoofer, at least my desktop system has the crossover set so high, that I can't hear the bass (this time I mean the instrument) in music with the sub turned off

so yeah, I couldn't live without a sub :P

One of my favourite concerts ever was a Sunn O))) one where you could actually feel the waves of sound physically hitting you

..

(but at home I have only my laptop speakers, because the last time I tried to buy external speakers the cats ate the cables :( )

I use a set of bookshelf speakers that are good down to around ~80Hz on my computer, so it's close enough to full range for most music to sound decent.

reosarevok: wat. srsly?

I have a sub but I leave it turned off most of the time :/

Yup. Well, ate. Chewed through, anyway :D

wtf cats eating wires

I've heard of mice and rats doing that but cats?

wtf :D

I really dislike when they do a live concert mix where the bass is so loud that you can't actually hear anything else, it drowns out vocals and whatnot :(

kepstin: especially when you're not even *at* the concert but it's some live gig on the park close to where you liveand they do this every summer and all yo uhear is BASSBASS and *whoomp whoom* and SCREAM occasionally

given the usual subwoofer positioning on large stage concerts, that's actually at its worst when you're up close to the stage, and the mix gets more even if you move back

¬¬

and then you move too far away and the treble stops carrying and it gets bad again

shitty bass is shitty

i mena, don't get me wrong.. i like.. bass for wnhe it's.. uh supposed ot be there

but likeit sounds like a layer of cotton on everything else :/

i hate that

that doesn't sound like good bass to me

imho it should underscore the rest of the music

that's how most shit is though in places . people just pour more bass ontopof more bass and shit al lto aquitics and the *tohter* fucking instruments

Oh, speaking of physicality in music, zas and Leftmost, I assume you've listened to The Haxan Cloak before but if not fix that

Leo_Verto: that i totally agree with

I guess that's also what the bass (instrument) is mostly used for in most genres

nothing makes a song better than the fat bass of the dude song *whooom*

ughm.. I'm tired and haven't eaten and listenig to konono no1

thinking of Motörhead for some reason

if yo uadd bass and it's not the instrument Ur doing it RONG :V

(some bass beat computer counts as instrument)

(I would know :D)

that was a jke to luagh at dammit. reo atleast achieves groans :/

reosarevok, I have not, but I shall.