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CallerNo6
Clint, +1 to "real Casino Royale"
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They don't make 'em like that anymore.
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SothoTalKer
area information for an artist is not useful
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whats the area of madonna or michael jackson? :)
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or the beatles?
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it might be useful for artists that are mostly local, like german schlager singers, where no one else cares :)
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CallerNo6
not useful for what?
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tagging? granted
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(at least, not to me)
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SothoTalKer
as general information
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CallerNo6
But even for tagging, why not? Maybe you want to build a playlist based on nationality.
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SothoTalKer
you can use the field "born in" for that, at least for single artists
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CallerNo6
Sometimes.
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(probably most of the time)
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SothoTalKer
:-)
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drsaunde
SothoTalker: I disagree completely... beatles are infamously tied to liverpool...MJ and the jacksons to gary indiana
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not to mention how it helps in disambiguation, especially with artists not yet in the db named the same as something already there
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hibiscuskazeneko
Or artists who are from a different country as another artist in the DB by the same name
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CallerNo6
drsaunde, true but current style guide says to use the country for artist area except in exceptional cases.
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(arguably the Beatles are exceptional)
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So in that sense, "founded in" would be more specific and interesting.
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hibiscuskazeneko
Or local artists who don't really venture far away from where they're based (e.g. DJs)
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CallerNo6
If nothing else, it's a good mental exercise to ask "what's the practical difference between artist-area and found-in-area?"
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Living in a nation of immigrants, I'd imagine we have a lot of born-somewhere but US-based musicians.
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drsaunde
like one of my favorites (Arcade Fire) technically "founded" in Boston, but based in Montreal basically since day 2
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and how else do we convince people bieber is actually american?
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hibiscuskazeneko
We don't. Unless he files for American citizenship.
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(like Alanis Morrisette did not too long ago)
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MajorLurker
Is anybody else having trouble with pages not loading properly?
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nvm...might have been my browser
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hibiscuskazeneko
It might not be
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I haven't attempted to edit in a few hours… off to check
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MajorLurker
It seemed to be loading to 90% for some reason.... might just be operator error
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hibiscuskazeneko
It could also be your Internet connection
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I've been having connectivity issues lately
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(if you look through the logs, there are periods where I'm disconnected for a minute at a time… those are periodic outages)
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djr013
there ought to be explicit mention of "double albums" in the guidelines, though I can't find much mention of this situation even in the forums
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there are a couple release groups that I'm tempted to create meta-release groups for as they were clearly released as a thematic set, and for one of these, they were actually sold as a double album in addition to being available for download separately
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theirs is combined into one, as we would too if we had the CD
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hibiscuskazeneko
djr013: We have Series for situations like that.
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There's also an "included in" relationship between release groups.
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djr013
yeah, I'm looking at "included in", I didn't consider that a "series" would include small sets like a double album
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would a series exist in parallel with a release group and/or release which contains the entire series?
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the other example I consider weaker only because I don't know of any physical set combining the two, but there's a Wikipedia article for the set of both:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/63/19
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hibiscuskazeneko
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The Series would encompass the release groups, tying them together
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djr013
thanks, I'll try this, haven't worked with these yet
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might help for search engine reasons to mention "double album" specifically on the page
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hibiscuskazeneko
Series can range in size from 2 or 3 entries to hundreds
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and beyond
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djr013
right, I mean as a common example
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hibiscuskazeneko
Perhaps System of a Down's Mesmerize/Hypnotize duo is a good example?
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djr013
I mean more just to have the phrase "double album" present as a search hint. :P but actual examples can help a lot too
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hibiscuskazeneko
Hmmm
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I guess we could add it to the docs as an alternate name?
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djr013
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wow, this is an ambitious list
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hibiscuskazeneko
That's what I initially envisioned when you mentioned "double album"; an album released on two discs
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djr013
yeah I reread the wikipedia article and realized that's what it's mainly referring to, but it's a bit ambiguous
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hibiscuskazeneko
Yeah, a lot of artists take creative license with terminology
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djr013
haha yes, they have a habit of that for some reason :P
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hibiscuskazeneko
It's all part of the fun, bending convention
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djr013
maybe what I'm looking for is more commonly referred to as "simultaneous release"
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even the "double album" article states that these are often thematically related when released
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(then again for many artists their entire discography is thematically related)
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hibiscuskazeneko
Or has some common threads running through it
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or recurring themes
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(gah, I can't think; this is what I get for typing while listening to music)
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djr013
:)
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MajorLurker
There's a thing... can you somehow change your avatar on MB??? If you can I can't see how?
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hibiscuskazeneko
I think it's tied to Gravatar?
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That's the whole reason I haven't set one
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MajorLurker
ah ok...
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Rotab
release_date:"1000"
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release_date_precision:"year"
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not sure about that, spotify...
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djr013
spotify has sheet music huh? :P
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Rotab
heh
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i think they parsed it from the phonographic copyright (Stage 1000)
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hibiscuskazeneko
dhr013: You should always create a separate release for digital downloads.
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(The same applies to streams, if the release is streaming-only.)
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djr103: ^
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(my finger slipped)
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djr013
thought so, thanks
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created the two series I mentioned
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