hmm, got a couple cases where I'm not sure which side of the line of "edit" vs "remix" something falls on
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rcombs
the later version of the work isn't called a "remix" in the track listing, but it has a significantly different duration due to different intro and outro segments transitioning between the previous and next songs on gapless albums (in both releases)
2019-05-24 14437, 2019
rcombs
I'll go with "edit" for now
2019-05-24 14429, 2019
antlarr
I'm in no way an expert, but I'd agree that's an "edit"
(ignore the lyrics in the lead-in on DEAD SPACE, they're looped from the previous track in a gapless album)
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CatQuest
rcombs: I'd say this is grade A+ "remix" situation
2019-05-24 14446, 2019
CatQuest
but yea. i can't even hear how they're supposed to be the same song
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rcombs
CatQuest: a "remix" is a new recording of the same work, linked to the existing recording
2019-05-24 14437, 2019
CatQuest
uh. i know that
2019-05-24 14450, 2019
rcombs
I don't think this is derived from the original recording at all
2019-05-24 14410, 2019
CatQuest
then.. it's not a remix but a completely new song?
2019-05-24 14413, 2019
CatQuest
why link them?
2019-05-24 14419, 2019
rcombs
that's how I'd classify it, yeah
2019-05-24 14446, 2019
rcombs
but kepstin was saying that if there's no new writing credit (e.g. lyrics) then it shouldn't be a separate work
2019-05-24 14458, 2019
CatQuest
if they are completely unrelated then they don't need classifications
2019-05-24 14414, 2019
rcombs
well it's derived from the _work_
2019-05-24 14442, 2019
CatQuest
granted it's early here and I didn't listen very turoughly. but "remix" can be very "over" done
2019-05-24 14455, 2019
CatQuest
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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rcombs
not sure what you mean by that, sorry?
2019-05-24 14446, 2019
CatQuest
oh sorry, it's a "shrug" emoticon. it means i don't relaly know either :)
2019-05-24 14406, 2019
rcombs
I meant by "'over' done"
2019-05-24 14418, 2019
CatQuest
oh.
2019-05-24 14445, 2019
CatQuest
oh that whoever remixes soemthing goes over the top and adds all kinds of things and basiclaly it sounds nothing a like. you're saying it's derived for mthe same work
2019-05-24 14421, 2019
CatQuest
i honestly couldn't hear anything except mad electrobeats tbh :)
2019-05-24 14437, 2019
CatQuest
but it's early. im not yet awake
2019-05-24 14450, 2019
rcombs
oh, yeah, I'm saying at that point it seems weird to classify it as a "remix" recording rather than a new derivative work
2019-05-24 14451, 2019
CatQuest
need to eat breakfast too :D
2019-05-24 14403, 2019
CatQuest
ah yea. well
2019-05-24 14419, 2019
reosarevok
rcombs: If you feel it's a new work, add a new work. They can always be merged :)
2019-05-24 14432, 2019
CatQuest
hm 🤔 I though "remix" was "recording-recording" linking? reosarevok?
2019-05-24 14443, 2019
rcombs
it is, yeah
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rcombs
which is why I don't think it applies here
2019-05-24 14457, 2019
CatQuest
no?
2019-05-24 14425, 2019
CatQuest
reosarevok: can a recording from one work be aremix of a recording fro ma nother work? is that.. ok?
2019-05-24 14440, 2019
CatQuest
also right in asking kepsin too
2019-05-24 14443, 2019
reosarevok
Sometimes yes (a remix with new lyrics for example)
2019-05-24 14458, 2019
reosarevok
Also sometimes something called a remix isn't really a remix at all, but a new track based on something else :)
2019-05-24 14402, 2019
CatQuest
they're arguing that there's basically "new everything"
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rcombs
in this case it's not called a "remix" in the track listing or anything like that
2019-05-24 14432, 2019
rcombs
it's just listed as a song based on another song
2019-05-24 14429, 2019
rcombs
which sounds like a new work linked to the old one (with "based on" rather than "arrangement of", according to kepstin), with the recording linked only to the new work
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rcombs
also I'm assuming that if one recording is an edit of another, then both should be linked to the corresponding work
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rcombs
also I'm uncertain when to put "Arranger" on a recording and when to put it on a work, so currently I'm putting it on both
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rcombs
there's also apparently some disagreement over whether tracks on Alstroemeria Records DANCEHALL albums should have their track artists tagged as "Alstroemeria Records", the arranger (often, but not always, Masayoshi Minoshima), or the vocalist if present and otherwise the arranger
2019-05-24 14453, 2019
rcombs
it's apparently ambiguous on the CD packaging, but the iTunes releases use the third option (vocalist if present, otherwise arranger), so I guess I'll switch to that going forwards (I'd been using the second option)
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CatQuest
I'd say vocalist (if present) AND arranger but...
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kepstin
I'd like arranger feat. Vocalist, yeah, but...
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kepstin
Never seen that on any releases as nice as it would be
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zarcade_droid
Can series be nested into each other? And are podcasts a thing that can/are worth to insert into the db?
